What makes unalienable rights “unalienable?”

[Robo]

the constitution does not govern our rights, but outlines the limits of the federal government

The Constitution is our "warranty," our "guarantee" in writing of our rights.

 

[Robo]

over the last 50 years, show us one example of where God came down and guaranteed our rights....

Every time our institutions delivered justice based on the principle of individual rights as guaranteed by a power higher than ourselves.

 

[Ralph]

Blackstone shoots the religion of human secularism out of the water.

 

[Robo]

The Constitution does govern our rights as they can be amended. Our Constitution is secular not religious.

Rights cannot be amended, they're unalienable! Laws are "amended" to constitutionally guarantee our unalienable rights by the principles set out by our Declaration, the first volume of our founding principles.

 

[Robo]

most everybody knows right from wrong. that 'morality' doesn't come from any God or religion, unless you believe that agnostics and atheists who do the 'right' thing are closeted worshippers

Then you know where it comes from, right? Can you let us in on your secret?

don't move the goalposts.........are we going to now talk about who defines rights, or who/what guarantees them?

Yes! Let’s talk about “WHO” guarantees them!

I contend unalienable rights are guaranteed by a power of “right” & “wrong” higher than any mental ability inherent in humankind. I contend that the founders in majority accepted & agreed on that concept/principle. I believe & find evidence that America is & was founded on the proposition that “all men are created equal & endowed by their “CREATOR” with “CERTAIN” unalienable rights.” If you know differently, I’m interested.

 

[jimmymccready]

Jefferson's statement in the DoI are not binding on the Constitution.

End of subject.

 

[Robo]

Amendments to the constitution can ONLY redefine powers to the government...........on another note, you are somewhat right....that only MEN/WOMEN can guarantee our rights.

ONLY men & women can deny your rights, proving humans have no inherent justice in their souls! Individual rights are unalienable. Mankind is endowed by their "CREATOR" by certain unalienable rights. Our founders believed and agreed, I'll set my position with those founding geniuses & leave human justice to the fools!

 

[Phantasmal]

They preexisted man, guess you missed the Platonic reference, part of the natural world, Locke didn't say God given, nor did the Founding Fathers, you are defining "creator" in terms of your current religious understanding

Why does your God take precedent over another's image of God?

Exactly!

 

[Robo]

Dispute the claim, cunt.

There are no unalienable rights. There are no natural rights. There is no creator in the Constitution.

Willfully ignorant moron.

Your Mommy's calling you child!

 

[Robo]

Exactly!

You know so much, explain to the class WHO you know "my god" is!

 

[archives]

What preexisted man, unalienable rights? Preexisted man by what authority?

“Natural world” as created by? Did Plato identify the creator?

On the contrary! How do you know who, or if I even believe in a “god?” Did I mention a god aside from leaving that identity to others?

I’m simply arguing that our founders most apparently agreed that “unalienable” rights are “endowed” i.e. “guaranteed” by a higher power than mankind. How we identify that higher power is absolutely determined by how we as individuals determine “WHO” i.e. “WHAT” that higher power is.

Why have you made that determination?

See you never read Plato, they would be part of his realm of absolutes, as would any "creator," Locke would later imply that the natural world where men's rights existed

Your whole narrative leads to a Christian understanding of God, which from there you applied to justify a quasi theocratic state, the exact thing the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid

 

[Bill]

I think you ask a very good question.

It is only guaranteed by a national agreement as in the founding, that humankind is endowed/guaranteed with individual unalienable rights by a power higher than themselves. Name that power, the “creator” or by any other name the power is “JUSTICE.” Only as long as the nation’s majority believe that, does the nation have the possibility of justice & liberty, otherwise, Other Men in governing power will own our lives, our property, our liberty & deny our pursuit of happiness.

So then it is the will of the ppl that fulfill/backup the guarantee? Not the "Creator" or government?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

This statement is made from complete ignorance. If I raised a child to believe that cannibalism is okay, they would believe it is okay. Morality is taught, it is not inherent.

If this painfully dumb claim were connected to reality, we would not need criminal laws.

TAUGHT..........taught from what? from who? My parents didn't go to church, and I only went for a few months, but I know right from wrong............and it wasn't learned from a church that had a pedophile as it's pastor

How does one know what a right is if not defined?

the founders have many statements about the rights of the people and that there is no 'list' of them............

The Constitution is a document that attempts to guarantee them; but as we all know, in life, there are no guarantees. The belief in a higher moral order is far beyond that of mere men and Governments. It is what defined our Constitution and the principles it contains. That is what was meant by unalienable rights as defined by God fearing men.

the constitution is a legal document that provides the framework of the federal government. end of story.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Our rights are not guaranteed by men and women. They are defined at a much higher level.

guaranteed and defined are two different things/issues in constitutional context.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

All rights are alienable. And the words about men being equal and possessing rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were lies before the ink was dry.

Gullible dumbfuck.

we're all still waiting for you to produce ANY historical documentation that exposes Madisons collusion that has him saying 'fucked ya' to the people at large during ratification

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The Constitution is our "warranty," our "guarantee" in writing of our rights.

again, the constitution is nothing more than a legal document that provides the framework and powers/responsibilities of the newly created federal government

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Every time our institutions delivered justice based on the principle of individual rights as guaranteed by a power higher than ourselves.

the courts are not made from God, nor do they represent God. they are administered by man and judged by man

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I contend unalienable rights are guaranteed by a power of “right” & “wrong” higher than any mental ability inherent in humankind. I contend that the founders in majority accepted & agreed on that concept/principle. I believe & find evidence that America is & was founded on the proposition that “all men are created equal & endowed by their “CREATOR” with “CERTAIN” unalienable rights.” If you know differently, I’m interested.

so when an innocent person is convicted in a court of God, he was on lunch break????

 

[SmarterthanYou]

ONLY men & women can deny your rights, proving humans have no inherent justice in their souls! Individual rights are unalienable. Mankind is endowed by their "CREATOR" by certain unalienable rights. Our founders believed and agreed, I'll set my position with those founding geniuses & leave human justice to the fools!

so if man/woman/men/women can deny rights, they are also the only guarantor of those rights as well, thus we have a jury of our peers

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Jefferson's statement in the DoI are not binding on the Constitution.

End of subject.

the DoI contains the many violations of our inalienable rights by the king, thus defining our reasons for declaring independence..........so the DoI actually does have some binding on the constitution