What Taxing the Rich Could Yield

[canceled.2021.1]

Income disparity isn't a problem. Seems the level of Frank's, etc. happiness is based on how much they can take from those they envy. Instead of working on how they better themselves, they focus on seeing how little those who make more can keep of what they've earned. As long as I'm doing better, what difference does it make if someone else does?

One thing I have learned about leftists like Frankie and trust me they are ALL alike, that is that whatever they claim they mean exactly the opposite

When they say they don’t care about money, all they care about is money. Other people’s money

They claim to care about the poor and middle class yet support policies that harm them tremendously

I used to think that leftists like Frankie were just misguided, but now I come to see them as an enemy of this country no less dangerous than Al Queda or ISIS. I know to some that may seem dramatic and over the top but the democrat party of which Frankie is a member is ccommitted to destroying what is great about this country just like the aforementioned terror groups.

As I see it, President Trump stands alone in protecting us from the dangers of the democrat party and I stand with him until the end.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Interesting you think Libertarians are at the bottom of any bucket. They were for gay marriage and against discrimination far before the democrats and republicans. They were against the war on drugs and the militarization of the police while republicans and democrats were fighting over who could make more punitive laws and punishments

Glad you find it interesting, ca.

Libertarians primarily are for chaos and anarchy; that is where the natural extension of Libertarianism leads.

I very strongly oppose both those things...so much so that I am willing to disregard the parts of the libertarian "philosophy" that I favor.

We can have all the things I consider good from that "philosophy"...without succumbing to chaos and anarchy. But we cannot have libertarian dominance without both chaos and anarchy.

 

[iolo]

The rich take the risk to build the company and have the talent to sustain it. The workers have to make not only their own worth but a profit back to the owner to justify employing him.

But that is just your distraction from my earlier point. What resource, specifically, is limiting such that the rich take it all and mugs go without?

What risk, except to their stolen money? The answer to your question: power to exploit everyone else and destroy the world.

 

[iolo]

So, let's see... if we take the entire $618B from those rich in the OP that doesn't even cover any of the first five years of Obama's debt run up. So then what?

What are you on about now then?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Your error is thinking libertarians are in a conservative bucket. There are as many in the liberal trash as the conservative trash.

The problem with your question is that is presumes that at some magical number inequality is too high and you would want to impose some oppressive government action you would see as a solution to the problem.

I think income inequality may be a more important measure than wealth inequality. And, less inequality does not necessarily equal a good situation. A very poor nation is bad for everybody although inequality is low. The inequality index should be measured after taxes and transfers because countries like the U. S. have a very progressive income tax and spend a lot in social welfare which are not included in poverty levels or income data.

Discussing what level of inequality is too much is less important than policy responses.

As I said...the questions are NOT silly...but uncomfortable for people of your mindset.

Too bad that.

BOTTOM LINE: The disparity...under the circumstances which prevail...ALREADY IS TOO GREAT TO ALLOW TO CONTINUE.

ALREADY!

If you want to discuss magical ways to deal with that problem...perhaps we can. But first we have to acknowledge that a problem exists. No use devising a solution...and then searching for a problem to use it on.

I, like many others here, HAVE acknowledged that the problem exists.

So far, you (and others like you) haven't. You are unwilling to even contemplate a hypothetical where you would see a need for a solution...because you apparently cannot envision a problem.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I don’t see income disparity as a problem. Never will. What someone else has or doesn’t have has zero bearing on what I have, don’t have or more importantly my happiness

Buffett and Gates have more money than I could ever dream of having, but it is irrelevant to my life.

Gates can’t force me to do anything can he? I don’t use any Microsoft products so from where I sit, I have more impact on his life in that sense

Stop just thinking of yourself, you fucking asshole. Some problems actually go beyond YOU.

When you can do that...get back to me.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Stop just thinking of yourself, you fucking asshole. Some problems actually go beyond YOU.

When you can do that...get back to me.

Seeing as how I and my family are the most important to me that is how I will always think of it

But, hey it’s Christmas time and being a charitable soul, I will play along with you Frankie

Tell me how this income disparity has negatively impacted YOU because I care about you Frankie.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

What Taxing the Rich Could Yield
America’s 15 wealthiest families are worth a combined $618 billion.

apparently fifteen fewer wealthy families and 6% of Obama's budget deficits......

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Stop just thinking of yourself, you fucking asshole. Some problems actually go beyond YOU.

When you can do that...get back to me.

Frankie

What happened? I thought we were going to discuss how "income disparity" has negatively impacted your 82 years on Erf. I am excited to learn all about it.

Thanks

 

[Ross Dolan]

Seeing as how I and my family are the most important to me that is how I will always think of it

An asshole like you would always think of self first...and humanity second, if at all. But...you are an asshole, so that is to be expected.

But, hey it’s Christmas time and being a charitable soul, I will play along with you Frankie

Tell me how this income disparity has negatively impacted YOU because I care about you Frankie.

I, on the other hand, am NOT an asshole, IHA, and my concern for humanity is as important to me as my concern for self.

The income disparity raises the specter of the violent "solutions" to similar disparities of the past...late 18th century France and early 20th century Russia come immediately to mind.

I do not want to see this nation endure what both France and Russia had to endure in order to deal with the problem.

I know, I know...you cannot understand how anyone can think of humanity...rather than just concern him/herself with SELF.

Humanity will endure people like you and will survive people like you.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Frankie

What happened? I thought we were going to discuss how "income disparity" has negatively impacted your 82 years on Erf. I am excited to learn all about it.

Thanks

Learn to think on a grander scale, You Asshole.

There is more than just self to contemplate.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

An asshole like you would always think of self first...and humanity second, if at all. But...you are an asshole, so that is to be expected.



I, on the other hand, am NOT an asshole, IHA, and my concern for humanity is as important to me as my concern for self.

The income disparity raises the specter of the violent "solutions" to similar disparities of the past...late 18th century France and early 20th century Russia come immediately to mind.

I do not want to see this nation endure what both France and Russia had to endure in order to deal with the problem.

I know, I know...you cannot understand how anyone can think of humanity...rather than just concern him/herself with SELF.

Humanity will endure people like you and will survive people like you.

I know you have this grandiose vision of yourself Frankie where you put others before yourself. Tell me, would you let your child or grandchild go without a necessity so you could give money to one of the migrants sitting at our southern border? For example would you let your grandchild go without food so that someone you don't know could eat?

Now, I have asked you specifically how income disparity negatively impacts your life and all you can come up with is some nebulous reference to 18th Century France.

Come on Frankie. You are better than this.

Let me ask the questions more specifically?

How does Warren Buffett having $40 billion negatively impact someone who makes $50,000/year? How is the latter person's life altered in a negative way?

How does taxing Warren Buffett at 90% alleviate the suffering of said person making $50,000/year? Is the goal to take the money from Mr. Buffett and hand it directly to the person making $50,000/year?

Also Frankie, what type of income disparity is OK with you? What level of disparity are you comfortable with?

All these and more I will ask of you Dear Frankie. I do hope you can do better than "18th Century France". I expect more of you Frankie. Please do not let me down.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Learn to think on a grander scale, You Asshole.

There is more than just self to contemplate.

Actually Frankie, but thinking of my self, I am actually thinking on a grander scale. You see, by focusing on me and my family, I ensure that I am not a drain on societal resources. And once my family's wants and needs are met to my satisfaction, then I will help those less fortunate than me. It is a beautiful system that is the antithesis of freedom and compassion.

Your belief system is riddled with tyranny and greed. I like mine better

You sit and self congratulate yourself, but you are a tyrant with zero compassion and nothing but jealously and greed flowing through your old veins. I do pray for you Frankie

 

[MAGA MAN]

What risk, except to their stolen money? The answer to your question: power to exploit everyone else and destroy the world.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I know you have this grandiose vision of yourself Frankie where you put others before yourself. Tell me, would you let your child or grandchild go without a necessity so you could give money to one of the migrants sitting at our southern border? For example would you let your grandchild go without food so that someone you don't know could eat?

I don't have any grandchildren.

Now, I have asked you specifically how income disparity negatively impacts your life and all you can come up with is some nebulous reference to 18th Century France.

Look, Dickhead...if you think the uprisings in France during the late 18th century and in Russia during the early 20th century DID NOT IMPACT ON EVERYONE IN THOSE COUNTRIES...you are more a fool than I suppose you do be.

Not an easy thing to do...because I think you are a GREAT fool.

Come on Frankie. You are better than this.

I almost certainly am "better" than you think I am.

Let me ask the questions more specifically?

How does Warren Buffett having $40 billion negatively impact someone who makes $50,000/year? How is the latter person's life altered in a negative way?

Stop thinking on a fucking micro scale, IHA. Start thinking on a macro scale.

If the cumulative Warren Buffett phenom were to drive this nation into a class revolution...EVERYONE WOULD BE AFFECTED...including me. If I have to explain how a revolution like the French or Russian revolutions would impact on me...I doubt it would help you understand, because even someone with a grade school intelligence should be able to understand it without explanation.

Jesus H. Christ...what does it take to get that concept through that concrete skull of yours?

How does taxing Warren Buffett at 90% alleviate the suffering of said person making $50,000/year? Is the goal to take the money from Mr. Buffett and hand it directly to the person making $50,000/year?

See above...especially that last sentence.

Also Frankie, what type of income disparity is OK with you? What level of disparity are you comfortable with?

The disparity could be twice or three times as much as it is now...if the conditions were different...and I would be comfortable with it. (I would prefer it not be, but I would not be uncomfortable with it.)

If all of the national and state infrastructure were totally up-dated and safe...and EVERY person in this country had plenty of food, clothing, shelter, educational opportunity, healthcare, and a reasonable amount of recreational opportunity...I would not give a shit if the disparity were 10 times what it is now.

I do not care about how much anyone has...once all that has has been taken care of. I am much, much, much happier and more content than people I know who have MUCH more than I. I do not envy them.

All these and more I will ask of you Dear Frankie. I do hope you can do better than "18th Century France". I expect more of you Frankie. Please do not let me down.

Fuck you with that pathetic attempt at passive aggressiveness. You are pitiful at it.

So...go fuck yourself.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Actually Frankie, but thinking of my self, I am actually thinking on a grander scale. You see, by focusing on me and my family, I ensure that I am not a drain on societal resources. And once my family's wants and needs are met to my satisfaction, then I will help those less fortunate than me. It is a beautiful system that is the antithesis of freedom and compassion.

Your belief system is riddled with tyranny and greed. I like mine better

You sit and self congratulate yourself, but you are a tyrant with zero compassion and nothing but jealously and greed flowing through your old veins. I do pray for you Frankie

Take your prayers and shove them up your ass, you fucking asshole.

The world will be a much better place when humanity finally evolves to where the kind of disgusting thinking you exhibit no longer exists.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

I don't have any grandchildren.



Look, Dickhead...if you think the uprisings in France during the late 18th century and in Russia during the early 20th century DID NOT IMPACT ON EVERYONE IN THOSE COUNTRIES...you are more a fool than I suppose you do be.

Not an easy thing to do...because I think you are a GREAT fool.




I almost certainly am "better" than you think I am.



Stop thinking on a fucking micro scale, IHA. Start thinking on a macro scale.

If the cumulative Warren Buffett phenom were to drive this nation into a class revolution...EVERYONE WOULD BE AFFECTED...including me. If I have to explain how a revolution like the French or Russian revolutions would impact on me...I doubt it would help you understand, because even someone with a grade school intelligence should be able to understand it without explanation.

Jesus H. Christ...what does it take to get that concept through that concrete skull of yours?



See above...especially that last sentence.



The disparity could be twice or three times as much as it is now...if the conditions were different...and I would be comfortable with it. (I would prefer it not be, but I would not be uncomfortable with it.)

If all of the national and state infrastructure were totally up-dated and safe...and EVERY person in this country had plenty of food, clothing, shelter, educational opportunity, healthcare, and a reasonable amount of recreational opportunity...I would not give a shit if the disparity were 10 times what it is now.

I do not care about how much anyone has...once all that has has been taken care of. I am much, much, much happier and more content than people I know who have MUCH more than I. I do not envy them.



Fuck you with that pathetic attempt at passive aggressiveness. You are pitiful at it.

So...go fuck yourself.

Well Frankie there is good news. There is plenty of education, food, housing and opportunity in this country for those willing to take advantage of the opportunities

PS

You keep getting the French Revolution wrong. But I do enjoy your attempts despite their futility.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Well Frankie there is good news. There is plenty of education, food, housing and opportunity in this country for those willing to take advantage of the opportunities

When EVERYONE has sufficient...I have no problem with disparity. If you are fool enough to think everyone has sufficient...and that all the needed infrastructure projects are being handled...

...speak to your doctors about it. Perhaps they can increase or otherwise modify dosage.

PS

You keep getting the French Revolution wrong. But I do enjoy your attempts despite their futility.

I am not getting it wrong. But you may try to use this as a diversion because you are taking a beating on the rest of the discussion...so have at it.

 

[CFM]

One thing I have learned about leftists like Frankie and trust me they are ALL alike, that is that whatever they claim they mean exactly the opposite

When they say they don’t care about money, all they care about is money. Other people’s money

They claim to care about the poor and middle class yet support policies that harm them tremendously

I used to think that leftists like Frankie were just misguided, but now I come to see them as an enemy of this country no less dangerous than Al Queda or ISIS. I know to some that may seem dramatic and over the top but the democrat party of which Frankie is a member is ccommitted to destroying what is great about this country just like the aforementioned terror groups.

As I see it, President Trump stands alone in protecting us from the dangers of the democrat party and I stand with him until the end.

They claim to care about the poor yet refuse to personally and voluntarily provide the poor with what they claim the poor need. What's sad is when other people are forced to fund what they support, the Frank's of the world take credit as if the money came from their pockets.

 

[LV426]

You claim to want to help people so much, but don't. You'd rather others do it. That's the cognitive dissonance you guys have to deal with.

When did I say I wanted to help people?

You must have me confused with someone who fucking gives a shit about the plight of the uneducated, middle-aged, doughy, Christian, white masses.

Government providing services isn't "helping people", it's government doing its base function of providing for the general welfare, just as the Constitution says.

Government "helping people" is when farmers who voted for Trump get bailouts because Trump imposed tariffs that stopped those farmers from selling their product.

That's the kind of "help" I am opposed to.

So take your bullshit and shove it back up your ass.