What would the ideal leftist America look like?
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Yakuda
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Ok but the 50% of the people who dont pay federal income tax now would have to in those systems plus a value added tax on every purchase. And would those social models solve the perceived "systemic" racism that is supposedly so pervasive in America?
When working class and lower income people pay substantially less for healthcare, day care, child care because of government subsidies, they'll have more $$ to pay the taxes neccessy to support those services.
It's a very simple trade off: pay more in taxes for the services that you used to pay for directly out of pocket.
Yakuda
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Will they want to? A value added tax has been suggested for years but democrats have always vehemently opposed it preferring it seems to demonize and punish "the rich". How do you see their systems eliminating the supposed systemic racism in America?
I'm not going to indulge the insinuation that we can't have some kind of Scandinavian mixed economic model because there are too many black people here.
Yakuda
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I didnt say we can't have it you did. It has nothing to do with the number of blacks. I asked what the ideal leftist America would look like. Systemic racism is a supposed issue that an ideal leftist America would be rid of would it not? You ignored that part of the question. I'm asking how such system would get rid of it. Every time you people are pushed to present an actual argument you can NEVER do it. This is why I have little respect for you people.
Wait a minute, a problem that has been festering for over a century and now you want an explanation of a quick remedy?
You start with education, recognizing the facts
I didn't say anything about race. Your original post said nothing about race. You seem fixated on bringing it up.
A Scandinavian model economic system does not depend on skin color. Scandinavians decided to pay higher taxes because it is a more convenient way of paying for services they otherwise would pay for directly out of pocket.
If lower income people in America aren't getting crushed by the costs of day care, health care, elder care, child care, they would have more money to pay the taxes necessary for a Norwegian style socioeconomic system
SmarterthanYou
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no society in the history of the world ever taxed their way to prosperity
SmarterthanYou
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how do you plan to 'fix' that gap when the people creating that gap are the ones you vote for?
SmarterthanYou
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If one of your 'facts' is that all white people are inherently racist, then you are the one that needs educating
Yakuda
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Their imbecilic leader said they prefer truth to facts. Facts are the enemy of the left.
That is a simplistic and almost entirely false statement. First, the United States, and ALL taxing authorities, are geographic, not societal. Second, no civilized western country has anywhere near our monstrous wage wealth gap. Why? They ALL have taxed their way to economic equality. Since that wage/wealth gap represents an existential issue in the United States, extraordinary measures are necessary to fix it. Not just a new tax policy, but a one time tax on wealth for a certain segment of the population. The economy will not survive without it. There is no solution to our current societal problem that does not involve a complete change to the tax code. Only a simpleton would make the suggestion you just made.
Understanding an appropriate tax policy requires intelligence, objectivity, and grasp of economics, and an ability to think creatively. You lack all of those things, so your opinion is as uninformed as it could possibly be. Which is why you are sold more disease and told it is the cure. Supply side economics got us into this mess, and you want more.
Cypress is correct. Single payer health care is more efficient. We have a body of evidence from every other industrialized nation, but you ignore that evidence. One of the greatest obstacles to getting single parents off the government doles is the cost of day care. Democrats want to provide free day care. You would rather cut the existing programs. Every child in this country should be able to pursue a post secondary education without a financial impediment. You oppose that. We need MORE human resources to address the immigration issues we have. The GOP has voted that down every time, most recently after Joe Biden took office and proposed a massive immigration reform bill that was passed by the House.
Your only interest seems to be in overthrowing the government and keeping 150 guns and not having to wear a mask to make your fellow citizens safer. Your arrogant ignorance is THE problem. Read a book. Find an actual news source that has some journalistic ethics. Educate yourself. You have no interest in that because you are intellectually lazy, and driven by hate and fear. It's a shame. I've been close to giving up, because there is objectively very little in it for me to make sure you and your ilk have no power. I am a rich white guy. But I actually do care. Empathy is an important quality. You have none.
No, YOU do that. It's amazing that you are so lazy and stupid you don't realize it. If you want a discussion about why Democrats are working to fix the gap and the GOP is actively working to widen it, I'd be happy to have that discussion, but you are not equipped for it.
SmarterthanYou
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anyone who believes that democrats are actually working to fix something is not equipped for adult life. that'd be you, since you're too stupid to realize it. and your previous word salad is nothing but socialist bullshit.
They are. They have made those proposals. As someone who actually understands economics, those proposals will help to narrow the gap. So will a one time wealth tax and more taxes on the richest Americans. You oppose all of them. Instead of attempting to make a single point, you go to your typical angry, stupid personal insults. That's why you are a worthless poster. No ideas. None. Just rage, anger and hate. It makes you nothing but a troll.
My post was not a word salad, you just don't understand it. Neither does my dog. I don't blame either of you.
Yakuda
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You have to remember leftists think theyre special because their mothers told them they are and they think they are.
SmarterthanYou
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you're either exhibiting willful ignorance in the face of 4D level chess at the hands of the elitists in elected office so you can participate as a cheerleader for your own poverty, or you're just shit stupid and unable to see that you're being used as a pawn by both democrats and republicans.
laughable, that you think you're smarter than me when, given your idiocy I exposed above here.