What would the ideal leftist America look like?

you're either exhibiting willful ignorance in the face of 4D level chess at the hands of the elitists in elected office so you can participate as a cheerleader for your own poverty, or you're just shit stupid and unable to see that you're being used as a pawn by both democrats and republicans.


laughable, that you think you're smarter than me when, given your idiocy I exposed above here.

Once again, you say absolutely nothing of substance, troll. Get back to me when you read a book, would you?

MY poverty? LOL.
 
Once again, you say absolutely nothing of substance, troll. Get back to me when you read a book, would you?

MY poverty? LOL.

are you saying that you're one of those in the upper branches of that wage/wealth gap????????? If so, there's an easy way for you to fix your own status instead of having the government take away more of your wealth for redistribution.
 
are you saying that you're one of those in the upper branches of that wage/wealth gap????????? If so, there's an easy way for you to fix your own status instead of having the government take away more of your wealth for redistribution.

Nope. That's another bullshit argument. Donations aren't going to fix the problem. A change in the tax policy will fix the problem.

I made over 500K last year and my TOTAL tax bill is less than 10%. Why? Well, I guess I should thank you. I think it should be at least twice that. But suggesting I am a hypocrite because I don't write a check is just another form of your trolling. Do you have ANYTHING of substance to say on this topic, or no? Would you prefer talking about me? Want to know what I had for breakfast?
 
no society in the history of the world ever taxed their way to prosperity

I'm not interested in empty and meaningless cliches.

My position is that Sweden has a relatively high level of taxation and an affluent and successful social welfare state we should look to for models.
 
I'm not interested in empty and meaningless cliches.

My position is that Sweden has a relatively high level of taxation and an affluent and successful social welfare state we should look to for models.

This. There are a number of countries that enjoy a higher standard of living due to their <gasp> higher taxes.
 
This. There are a number of countries that enjoy a higher standard of living due to their <gasp> higher taxes.

They decided it was easier, more convenient, and more efficient to have people pay for social services through tax deductions rather than pay directly out of pocket.
 
Nope. That's another bullshit argument. Donations aren't going to fix the problem. A change in the tax policy will fix the problem.

I made over 500K last year and my TOTAL tax bill is less than 10%. Why? Well, I guess I should thank you. I think it should be at least twice that. But suggesting I am a hypocrite because I don't write a check is just another form of your trolling. Do you have ANYTHING of substance to say on this topic, or no? Would you prefer talking about me? Want to know what I had for breakfast?

anyone who thinks they should pay MORE taxes is certainly not smart enough to participate in debates. that's as bad as jarod claiming huge amounts of pride for paying taxes.........we formed this nation based on being over taxed.........you fuckers are morons.
 
I'm not interested in empty and meaningless cliches.

My position is that Sweden has a relatively high level of taxation and an affluent and successful social welfare state we should look to for models.

implementing a welfare state is not what the Constitution was created for, but then we already know you don't care about 'muh constitution'............

what I don't understand is how most of you can be so blindly idiotic as to ignore the fact that those you elect are responsible for creating this wealth gap and they have zero intention of changing it.
 
implementing a welfare state is not what the Constitution was created for, but then we already know you don't care about 'muh constitution'............

what I don't understand is how most of you can be so blindly idiotic as to ignore the fact that those you elect are responsible for creating this wealth gap and they have zero intention of changing it.

It is EXACTLY supported by the Constitution. It's called the general welfare clause. Do you know ANYTHING???

I have never voted for a politician that supported a supply side tax policy. So if 'you' means me, then no. If 'you' means the collective, of course I know that. DUH. No one waved a magic wand. This started under Reagan, and no one has put a stop to it. Biden had a bold plan to address it, and for his trouble, you call him a communist.

You asked the question about what the country would look like. Again, this obviously a theoretical, and I answered it as such. DUH. Do you even understand the question you asked? Damn son, get a clue.
 
anyone who thinks they should pay MORE taxes is certainly not smart enough to participate in debates. that's as bad as jarod claiming huge amounts of pride for paying taxes.........we formed this nation based on being over taxed.........you fuckers are morons.

Why? I should pay more. It wouldn't hurt me in the least and it would help the country, which in turn HELPS me. Once again, all you have are personal insults, and dumb ones at that. You couldn't even figure this part out. And you call ME the moron. How deliciously ironic. You have not advanced a single idea in this thread. Not one.
 
It is EXACTLY supported by the Constitution. It's called the general welfare clause. Do you know ANYTHING???
I know that James Madison disagrees with you.
https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/20...nsive-reading-of-the-general-welfare-clause/?

I have never voted for a politician that supported a supply side tax policy. So if 'you' means me, then no. If 'you' means the collective, of course I know that. DUH. No one waved a magic wand. This started under Reagan, and no one has put a stop to it. Biden had a bold plan to address it, and for his trouble, you call him a communist.
it started way before reagan. that you don't know that says volumes about your lack of knowledge. Biden LOL. That you believe HE is trying to stop it says volumes MORE about your willfulness to ignore the ACTUAL politics involved.......and you think you're smart???ROFL
 
Why? I should pay more. It wouldn't hurt me in the least and it would help the country, which in turn HELPS me. Once again, all you have are personal insults, and dumb ones at that. You couldn't even figure this part out. And you call ME the moron. How deliciously ironic. You have not advanced a single idea in this thread. Not one.

government programs are inefficient, too costly, and always INEVITABLY line the pockets of those chosen by your elected legislators. you have two options for yourself here. 1. you're too fucking stupid to realize that politicians lie to you, steal your money for themselves and their cronies, and laugh at you as you fight with the 'other side' about the good they actually do, or 2. you DO know and you commit yourself to ignorance while the above reactions still apply.
 
I know that James Madison disagrees with you.
https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/20...nsive-reading-of-the-general-welfare-clause/?

it started way before reagan. that you don't know that says volumes about your lack of knowledge. Biden LOL. That you believe HE is trying to stop it says volumes MORE about your willfulness to ignore the ACTUAL politics involved.......and you think you're smart???ROFL

No, it started under Reagan.

Give me one specific policy proposal, and in your own words, tell me how and why it would address the wage/wealth gap.

I won't hold my breath.
 
government programs are inefficient, too costly, and always INEVITABLY line the pockets of those chosen by your elected legislators. you have two options for yourself here. 1. you're too fucking stupid to realize that politicians lie to you, steal your money for themselves and their cronies, and laugh at you as you fight with the 'other side' about the good they actually do, or 2. you DO know and you commit yourself to ignorance while the above reactions still apply.

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the question you posed in the OP.
 
No, it started under Reagan.

Give me one specific policy proposal, and in your own words, tell me how and why it would address the wage/wealth gap.

I won't hold my breath.

please. hold your breath.

that being said, the simple fact that you believe government will fix the wage/wealth gap proves you too stupid or brainwashed to assist in it. In reality, there will ALWAYS be a wage/wealth gap because you continually vote for liars who tell you one thing while doing the opposite. the ONLY way to realistically help others is to enforce the equal opportunity for individuals to pursue their own wealth, but you can't have that because you put more faith in government than is logically reasonable.
 
I did not make the OP.

Okay, then you also didn't read it. Either way, you continue to do nothing about tell everyone else how stupid they are without advancing a single idea of your own. That's easy. And it's why you are a troll. You are a one trick pony.
 
Okay, then you also didn't read it. Either way, you continue to do nothing about tell everyone else how stupid they are without advancing a single idea of your own. That's easy. And it's why you are a troll. You are a one trick pony.

I posted my idea a couple posts above this one. I also said why you would think it's dumb.
 
I posted my idea a couple posts above this one. I also said why you would think it's dumb.

No, you didn't. Not one. Your 'proposal' is to eliminate government. Completely. That is not in any way, shape or form specific, nor do you say why it would work. Instead, you call everyone else stupid for how they vote, while you support a party that has never, ever, in it's history, elected a person to a single meaningful office.

Who is the stupid one again?
 
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