Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
As the chronology of the posts shows, I and others pointed out the FACT that while Norway indeed does have very tough gun laws and a lifestyle alien to Americans (check out the number of violent crimes in 2009 among a population of 4 million), individuals can and do go through a process that allows them a CCW permit, and the cops can carry weapons when cleared with their various command centers. A total BAN, as Alias suggested, would keep civilians from getting guns....period. A total restriction of cops carrying guns would mean that they could not even put in the request for and receive such.
Once again, gunner hype doesn't stand up under scrutiny. Gunners keep putting forth the notion that if more people were strapped, then they could put down people like Breivik. They forget what went down in Tuscon, Arizona recently, where one of their poster boys damned near shot the HERO's who disarmed Giffords assailant. By the grace of God and fast thinking people, additional tragedy was avoided. Lord knows how many more people may had been shot in the cross fire if a bunch of armed citizens with no real situation training had engaged Breivik in a shootout. And let's not forget....cops with a vague description of a shooter taking out people may or may not stop to discern which joker with the gun is the real perp.
Back to square one....Alias is doing EXACTLY what I pointed out...a knee jerk need to minimalize or justify or excuse the significance of acts like Breivik's while "reminding" all who the "real" threat is.
And the beat goes on.
Yeah,....Norways population demographics is quite different than that of US.....as a matter of fact, no other western nation has a population demographic like ours.....thus, the violence in the US....
No shit sherlock! No one on this thread stated or alluded anything otherwise. Once again Bravo, you waste time and space with a moot point.
"And let's not forget....cops with a vague description of a shooter taking out people may or may not stop to discern which joker with the gun is the real perp."....what crap.
Please explain to us all how a cop responding to shots fired with a vague descripiton of a armed white male stalking a crowd of panicking people is going to give that cop enough information to discern friend or foe with a bunch of armed civilians running around trying to get a shot at the bad guy? Any copy worth his salt will pull his weapon and tell the civilian to drop it, and assume the position....wasting valuable time in trying to get the real perp. Worse case scenario...a civilian doesn't react properly and the cop knee jerks and caps him. Like I said to someone else on this thread, by the grace of God that didn't happen to the hero of the Giffords shooting in Tuscon, AZ.
It could just as easily be said that cops will and do stop to discern who the real perp is in every case.....and save many many more lives than not in these types of circumstances.....
Should, could, would.....words that you DON'T want to be dallying with when you enter a hot zone with panicky civilians and a trigger happy murder stalking them. History doesn't play to your wishful thinking, Bravo. See my above response.
Do you think for a second that if there would have been armed guards on that retreat, this ass would have killed so many......
