Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Got news for you Damo.....if a person uses their religion as the basis and justification for their violent actions against "non-believers" and innocent civilians, they are religious extremists...and you can plug in whatever religion they are touting.
We agree, however you have yet to post one quote of his that does this. That was my point.
You're "point" was answered in my previous response......let's see how you try to disprove that response.
Excerpts from Breivik's diatribe and Facebook:
"At the age of 15 I chose to be baptised [sic] and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church," the 32-year-old Breivik wrote. "I consider myself to be 100 percent Christian."
"Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I'm not an excessively religious man," he writes. "I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe."
Now this man is by no means a "true" follower of Jesus Christ's teachings....no more so than the jackasses of the Taliban and Al Qaeda "true" followers of Muhammad's Quran
BUT
Since it's the penchant of society to label people by origins and actions, we have terrorists of all sorts over the years (unfortunately). So the label on Breivik is quite justified....unless we're going to remove "islamic terrorist" from the nomemclature during these discussions.
Right, a man who describes himself as "not religious" is somehow an extremist because of his religion?
Well, no one said Breivik was consistent or logical, but there's NOTHING in the two quotes I provided above that doesn't support what I've said. His declarations and references to catholicisim out number and out weigh his occasional profess of secularism.
The main point I am making, and that you accidentally make here, is he is an extremist but not
becasuse of his religion. Were he doing this
because of his religion, he would be what you are trying to make him into.
You're "main point" is just IGNORING THE FACTS PRESENTED IN THE MAN'S OWN WORDS. You have a penchant for myopic analysis when there are facts that don't fit your beliefs, Damo.
When Muslim Extremists attacked us in 9/11, they did it because they believed Allah was going to give them stuff in paradise because they blew up innocent people. While this is a "bastardization" of the religion, it is
because of their religious beliefs that they were willing to do what they did.
And they ALSO believed that America was the main cause of their problems in their homeland and their region of the world. Being products of theocratic governments (or as in the case of the Saudis), the jokers that did 9/11 mesh the two. This guy has other reasons than what he was going to be given in paradise, it isn't because of his religion.
It's in PART because of his religion, Damo. Whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, whether you accept it or not.....in the man's OWN WORDS. No difference of white supremacist or islamic fundamentalist when they start killing people......in their warped mindset God justifies them, supports them, encourages them.
I put this forth NOT of excuse or diminish the threat/actions of bastards like Al Qaeda or the Taliban.....I'm just pointing out that the world cannot ignore the reality of the terrorist that looks just like them, and shares a warped view of their religion/society.
It's like calling a bank robber in a hostage situation an "apple pie extremist" because one of his demands is for apple pie. It's just one more thing on a list, not the reason he is there.
See above response.
If the extremists who attacked us on 9/11 were doing it because they hated tall buildings, but just happened to be Muslim, they wouldn't be "Muslim Extremists", they would be "tall-building hating extremists"...
