White Power!

uscitizen said:
Bush's rhetoric has been a major contributor. Not the only factor, but a major one.
As I stated earlier in the thread only fools thought that there is no rascism in this country.
But the small flame is being fanned....
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For Damo the twister :)

bush was a cheerleader and still is the cheerleader of hatred and fear.
 
uscitizen said:
For Damo the twister :)

bush was a cheerleader and still is the cheerleader of hatred and fear.
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I don't think it even contributes. I think this is desperation working to find evil and blame where none exists, that these people would be racist and would be there regardless of who was President.

I was very clear, however "remotely" (note I used this word...) you try to connect it, it is weakness to attempt to blame every single thing that happens that is bad to one person, solely because of the contempt you hold for them. I simply point out the original tumbling job it takes to get there. It is weak, it is silly, and it takes away from the main component of the argument and contributes nothing to a solution.
 
You still don't get it Damo. sigh...

Go ahead and keep jumping to the other extreme, you treally can;t help it having one of those con brians.
 
uscitizen said:
You still don't get it Damo. sigh...

Go ahead and keep jumping to the other extreme, you treally can;t help it having one of those con brians.
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No, I find that those with Bush Derangement Syndrome are hard to cure. Not everything that is bad can be blamed on Bush, this is one of those things.

Racism has been there before Bush, will be there after Bush, and has little to do with a speech that mentions 9/11. Attempting, by any means, to attach all things bad to Bush is a weakness. It detracts from the problem. It is designed to make you feel better because, "Well I didn't vote for him, and it's his fault...."

There is little I find to feel good about here, so I'll attach it to <insert name of 'Evil' here> and that will make it so it isn't my fault, and so I don't have to do something about it and so I feel better about myself.
 
Cypress said:
Its definetly the fault of conservative, white southerners. This crap doesn't happen on the west coast. At least, not as blatant as this.


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America turns a blind eye to the suffering of blacks in the south where this ignorance has persisted for HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
 
Damocles said:
No, I find that those with Bush Derangement Syndrome are hard to cure. Not everything that is bad can be blamed on Bush, this is one of those things.

Racism has been there before Bush, will be there after Bush, and has little to do with a speech that mentions 9/11. Attempting, by any means, to attach all things bad to Bush is a weakness. It detracts from the problem.
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I do think that the Bush presidency has both encouraged and benefited -- from their own point of view -- the white supremacists. While I doubt that's what he intended, I don't care: extenuation is important only in criminal proceedings.
 
Warren said:
I would say that both the racist whites and the black kids who think they're so tough they gotta fight 6v1 are responsible in equal measure.

Racism is not only a "white" problem.
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Stupid as a motherfucker

I guess in your twisted mind if the black kids hadn't gotten into a fight racism would not exist in the south.

Stupid.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
I do think that the Bush presidency has both encouraged and benefited -- from their own point of view -- the white supremacists. While I doubt that's what he intended, I don't care: extenuation is important only in criminal proceedings.
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I think having a Mayor who encourages them to come has a huge responsibility towards it. I do not think a speech that mentions 9/11 has anything at all to do with it.
 
Warren said:
I would say that both the racist whites and the black kids who think they're so tough they gotta fight 6v1 are responsible in equal measure.

Racism is not only a "white" problem.
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No doubt. But, the "problem" isn't equal.

When blacks have the demographic, economic, and political power in this country to broadly intimidate whites, and deprive them of economic opportunities and civil liberties, then was can have that discussion.

People of any skin color can be racist. Which is abhorrant. However, from a public policy, economic, and civil right perspective there is nothing equal in this country about racism.
 
The anti immigrant crowds have also been an enabler to the resurgance in rascism. It is now ok again to hate because of being different....
Be they mexican, Black, Isalmic, etc...
 
Damocles said:
I think having a Mayor who encourages them to come has a huge responsibility towards it. I do not think a speech that mentions 9/11 has anything at all to do with it.
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But a speech that mentions 9/11 AND attempts to cast it as a battle in some twisted religious/ethnic "war" has everything to do with it.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
But a speech that mentions 9/11 AND attempts to cast it as a battle in some twisted religious/ethnic "war" has everything to do with it.
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With Racism? I don't think so. This would be here regardless of who was President. Attempting to make yourself feel better about it by blaming it on the Border or on a speech on the WOT is pretty much a sign of Bush Derangement Syndrome. An attempt to make yourself feel better about yourself by blaming it on all those "other".
 
uscitizen said:
The anti immigrant crowds have also been an enabler to the resurgance in rascism. It is now ok again to hate because of being different....
Be they mexican, Black, Isalmic, etc...
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Yep. That's exactly why I don't bother really engaging on the immigration "crisis" (sic). Those who favor stricter immigration policy may have some valid points but they're doing far more harm than good, in my opinion. Now is not the time.
 
uscitizen said:
The anti immigrant crowds have also been an enabler to the resurgance in rascism. It is now ok again to hate because of being different....
Be they mexican, Black, Isalmic, etc...
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True.

The widespread bias against muslim-americans is more of a recent thing, and quite troubling. If you want to see some real muslim hatred, visit some of those republican-dominated message boards. It'll blow your mind.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
Yep. That's exactly why I don't bother really engaging on the immigration "crisis" (sic). Those who favor stricter immigration policy may have some valid points but they're doing far more harm than good, in my opinion. Now is not the time.
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Bush's policy is for a wide-open border. This is ridiculous to blame this argument on him. Uscit, you'd agree far more with Bush than you want to think on this issue in particular.
 
Damocles said:
Bush's policy is for a wide-open border. This is ridiculous to blame this argument on him. Uscit, you'd agree far more with Bush than you want to think on this issue in particular.
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Umm as I said Damo he fanned the flames, now he is not in control of the fire.
 
Damocles said:
With Racism? I don't think so. This would be here regardless of who was President. Attempting to make yourself feel better about it by blaming it on the Border or on a speech on the WOT is pretty much a sign of Bush Derangement Syndrome. An attempt to make yourself feel better about yourself by blaming it on all those "other".
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The problem would be there, certainly, but I'm criticizing Bush for his actions and statements. He's exacerbated the problem by appealing to cultural homogeneity and religious bigotry.

When he said "War on Terror" most people heard "War on Islam." And that's exactly what was intended, I'm sure: too many of his staff are too smart for that to have not been the case. Oh, it's backfired on them to some extent, yes. It's still heightened ethnic tension and increased discrimination in this country, however.
 
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