Why believe something with no possible evidence?
Who gets into heaven
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Dutch Uncle
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I agree with that. Better to fly the coop than live in a gilded cage.
Then there's the "fucking Eagles"*
We are all just prisoners here, of our own device".
The bottom line is that we do have free will even if not everyone can exercise it to the same degree. It's also a matter of attitude, which is also an expression of free will. There are those that blame others for all of their problems like the MAGAt cracker retards are fond of doing and then there's mature minds who take responsibility for themselves as most non-MAGAt Americans often do.
*The Big Lebowski
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I'm not terrified of atheists. One of them happens to be a good friend here.
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Don't forget the gray unicorn, the mathematical laws of gambling, the fallacies of logic, the concept of zero, and the square root of 5.
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Good job working that Eagles tune into the concept of free will!
Dutch Uncle
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Thanks! You know I'm a big fan of free will...and the Eagles. I've seen them in concert a few times in my college days.
I also like some covers such as this one by the Gipsy Kings:
Of course I can.
Good, you admit belief is just a wish.
You clearly need to do some reading about the distinction between blind faith and justified faith.
You have faith the pharmacist didn't accidentally give you the wrong meds.
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed. Like some people are color-blind, it appears about <10% percentage of humans lack a spiritual nature. My observation is that most of these people are simply young and immature. Often under 35. It's those who are over 35 and lack this human quality that pique my interest. In Hume's case, she's a young, angry woman who is simply lashing out.
I wear a "Faith over Fear" silicon wrist bracelet. It comes from Psalm 118:6, but as your analogy points out, faith is more than simply believing in a "sky daddy" or the FSM. It's faith in family, friends, coworkers, local and greater governments. For many people, it's faith in their equipment including those who designed, built and maintain it. People without faith are people who live in perpetual fear...which makes them angry. Hume is an example.
Psalm 118:6
The Lord is with me; I will not be afraid.
What can mere mortals do to me?
Good point.Agreed. Like some people are color-blind, it appears about <10% percentage of humans lack a spiritual nature. My observation is that most of these people are simply young and immature. Often under 35. It's those who are over 35 and lack this human quality that pique my interest. In Hume's case, she's a young, angry woman who is simply lashing out.
I wear a "Faith over Fear" silicon wrist bracelet. It comes from Psalm 118:6, but as your analogy points out, faith is more than simply believing in a "sky daddy" or the FSM. It's faith in family, friends, coworkers, local and greater governments. For many people, it's faith in their equipment including those who designed, built and maintain it. People without faith are people who live in perpetual fear...which makes them angry. Hume is an example.
Psalm 118:6
The Lord is with me; I will not be afraid.
What can mere mortals do to me?
I don't know why atheists tried to turn faith into a bad word. I have faith in my wife, in my friends, I have faith the pharmacist is not going to put poison in my Rx.
The key is to have justified faith, not blind faith.
Dutch Uncle
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IMO, it's like the color-blind analogy. They have a gene(s) blinding them to faith and spirituality, even if mostly a secular faith. Lacking faith, they live in fear and that often makes them angry.
Agreed on justified faith. A pharmacy with a good reputation is easier to have faith in than one that has a poor reputation. Same for police forces, schools, companies people work for or do business with, etc.
Most of what we do in life is based on justified faith. Nobody on this board is doing chemical analysis on the prescription the pharmacist gives them to confirm its the correct medication.
Buddhism and Christianity are unique in the sense they are religions based on historical people and historical events.
You have to say Gods like Thor, Zeus, and Posidon require blind faith because there is no witness testimony, logical inference, or historicity supporting them.
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Sort of like the Avatar not being canine if she didn't have such an enormous sense of entitlement.
I got out of the bathroom and discovered that I wasn't going back to bed.
She's sprawled across my pillow right now.
Dutch Uncle
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I knew you were too dim to understand.
Here's a simple one for you:
Do you brush your teeth ONLY because the dentist tells you to, or do you think there might be a REASON for it?
Just curious. (I actually know the answer, it's because someone TELLS you to. That's what happens when one is too dim to understand a simple point)
Ahh, suffering is a better question than the 'problem of evil' because presumably suffering COULD be moderated. But one fears that suffering might be very important for some of the believers who need non-believers to suffer and suffer and suffer.
That's not fighting fair. Remember Cy's Side of God is the ONLY side that gets to demand proof for things. Their beliefs require not proof and you are flawed if you fail to disprove it to them.
Such is the vapid logic of the believer.
Isn't it a marvel how many EXCUSES believers can come up with to justify the lack of evidence for their beliefs? Entire arabesques of fantasy and illogic.