Who is the greatest American Capitalist of the 20th Century?

So we're just going to ignore the fact that FDR's moves were a kinder, gentler version of Hitler's, Mott? Fascism is still fascism, even in a society with internment camps rather than concentration camps.
 
Threedee said:
So we're just going to ignore the fact that FDR's moves were a kinder, gentler version of Hitler's, Mott? Fascism is still fascism, even in a society with internment camps rather than concentration camps.
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That's complete and total bullshit 3D. You can't just throw shit out there and hope it's sticks. What evidence do you have that any of FDR's efforst were fascist or totalitarian? I mean that's fucking laughable and the burden of proof, being it's such a way out there in never, never land comment, is upon you.
 
Remember that before Hitler and Mussolini blew things up into epic proportions, fascism didn't exactly mean what it does today. Prior to Marxism, being a radical wasn't necessarily quite the extreme label that we see today, either. It's possible to have engaged in what FDR did (fascism), without stripping people of their civil liberties and engaging in state terror (which he did not do). The observer is therefore only left with frustration if they happen to disagree with textbook fascism, or if they believe FDR did more harm than good over the long run. Hell, we used to have a poster here named Gonzojournals who was formulating a benign, textbook theory of fascism - I liked the guy and hope he's been successful with his doctorate in English Lit, but I obviously thought he was weird for proposing a new fascism.

Anyway, it's always fun to reference Japanese Internment to the FDR lovers. Remember, the great man was merely trying to safeguard all of God's Eastern Children, so it wasn't really such a bad thing in the end...
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Before you get your hackles up to much about Barry mabye you should remember who preceded him! LOL
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And when the guy who preceeded him was in office I had my "hackles" up about his corporatist policies .. as did many who now assume the see-n-evil posture on Obama's corporatist policies.

I'm consistent .. are you?
 
I'm probably far more complacent about Obama because he was preceeded by Bush. It seems to take me a few years after a president leaves office before I really lay into them. I felt that the GOP deserved to lose the 2006 elections, and I really wasn't sad to see Obama win in 2008. I was kind of surprised by the re-election, though, considering we usually place higher standards when sending a president back to DC (1980, 1992)...
 
Threedee said:
Remember that before Hitler and Mussolini blew things up into epic proportions, fascism didn't exactly mean what it does today. Prior to Marxism, being a radical wasn't necessarily quite the extreme label that we see today, either. It's possible to have engaged in what FDR did (fascism), without stripping people of their civil liberties and engaging in state terror (which he did not do). The observer is therefore only left with frustration if they happen to disagree with textbook fascism, or if they believe FDR did more harm than good over the long run. Hell, we used to have a poster here named Gonzojournals who was formulating a benign, textbook theory of fascism - I liked the guy and hope he's been successful with his doctorate in English Lit, but I obviously thought he was weird for proposing a new fascism.

Anyway, it's always fun to reference Japanese Internment to the FDR lovers. Remember, the great man was merely trying to safeguard all of God's Eastern Children, so it wasn't really such a bad thing in the end...
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Uhhh yea right. Try to stay on topic. FDR's decision on the internment of Japanese Americans was a discrace to his Presidency. To equate that and him as fascist if freaken laughable. It also has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

I defy you to name one political leader from that era who did more to eradicate fascism than FDR? You could try and argue Churchill but Churchill simply didn't have FDR's influence or power, so the answer is, no political leader did more to eradicate fascism than FDR.
 
Threedee said:
I'm probably far more complacent about Obama because he was preceeded by Bush. It seems to take me a few years after a president leaves office before I really lay into them. I felt that the GOP deserved to lose the 2006 elections, and I really wasn't sad to see Obama win in 2008. I was kind of surprised by the re-election, though, considering we usually place higher standards when sending a president back to DC (1980, 1992)...
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or 74 and 2004?
 
Also, we can separate out the economic philosophy - fascism, from the use of power (say, totalitarianism), if we want to. During the thirties, FDR was not gunning down civilians (which one can actually accuse Hoover of doing) or any of those evil things that noted fascists are known to have done. But he was no capitalist. I would wager that if FDR had been elected VP in 1924, and had somehow ascended to the presidency before 1929, we would still have seen quite a lot of fascist and socialist policies advocated by him.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Uhhh yea right. Try to stay on topic. FDR's decision on the internment of Japanese Americans was a discrace to his Presidency. To equate that and him as fascist if freaken laughable. It also has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

I defy you to name one political leader from that era who did more to eradicate fascism than FDR? You could try and argue Churchill but Churchill simply didn't have FDR's influence or power, so the answer is, no political leader did more to eradicate fascism than FDR.
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He also lead a campaign to entrap homosexuals as Assistant Secretary of the Navy which saw young enlisted men perform sex acts on suspected homosexuals. FDR was not a nice fellow and more crony capitalist than capitalist.
 
SuperstringTheory said:
He also lead a campaign to entrap homosexuals as Assistant Secretary of the Navy which saw young enlisted men perform sex acts on suspected homosexuals. FDR was not a nice fellow and more crony capitalist than capitalist.
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Well Henry Ford and John Rockefeller weren't exactly nice fellows either. The fact remains. FDR did save Capitalism.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Think about it? Which titan or industry of economics was the greatest American Capitalist of the 20th century?
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Dave Thomas is among the most admirable in my book. He built a wildly successful, international company with a 10th grade education, and practiced what he preached in his personal and business life. George Romney is another that I greatly admire.
 
Thithicus said:
Dave Thomas is among the most admirable in my book. He built a wildly successful, international company with a 10th grade education, and practiced what he preached in his personal and business life. George Romney is another that I greatly admire.
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And he was from Columbus, OH! I live a couple of miles down the road from Wendy's national HQ.
 
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