Who Is Trump Indebted TO????

Flash said:
Would you have read it? Did you read the tax returns released by the other presidential candidates? Do you know how much Biden, Obama, Bush or Clinton owe to others and who they owe?
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Yes, we do know that because all four of them have released their taxes.

I don't understand why you feel compelled to give Trump the benefit of any doubt when he has lied to your face and is indebted to "undisclosed lenders" to the tune of at least $400M.

That's why I think all of this is deeply personal for Flash. That's the only explanation that makes any sense here. He has some personal stake in this weird defense of Trump.
 
Flash said:
This is like Trump's calls for Biden to take a drug test. We don't really want to know anything unless we think it might contain negative information.
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Flash is here arguing that we shouldn't know if POTUS is financially compromised.
 
Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post

“It happened all over PM, Earl. We set a time, then he PM'd me to say he wasn't going to show up. Since then, I've ignored him because he and I both know that he was the one who didn't follow through.”

If this is true, you are releasing PM information which is a violation of the TOS of JPP.

So, you are either a liar or in violation of the TOS of JPP., cobarde. Checkmate.
 
LV426 said:
Right, but they didn't loan him $400M, did they?

Who did? It wasn't any US bank. And if the US banks wouldn't touch him, the other reputable banks wouldn't either.

So...who is he borrowing money from?
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you have no idea if anyone did.....all you have is a NYT article and they've lied so many times in the last four years they have a "retraction" rubber stamp......
 
Hello Flash,

Flash said:
Would you have read it? Did you read the tax returns released by the other presidential candidates? Do you know how much Biden, Obama, Bush or Clinton owe to others and who they owe?

This is like Trump's calls for Biden to take a drug test. We don't really want to know anything unless we think it might contain negative information.
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With any ordinary president I would probably not read the actual released documents. Instead I would rely on the major media, including the non-biased nonprofits, to go public with anything of concern to the public. As for Biden's health and meds, I would also want to know if there is any concern there as well. Most Americans end up on one if not many prescriptions the older they get. Does any of it have to do with mental alertness or awareness? Fair question. One that won't be settled tonight at the debate.
 
PoliTalker said:
"WASHINGTON (AP) — Revelations that President Donald Trump is personally liable for more than $400 million in debt are casting a shadow that ethics experts say raises national security concerns he could be manipulated to sway U.S. policy by organizations or individuals he’s indebted to."

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., was blunt about the potential implications. “He may be vulnerable to financial blackmail from a hostile foreign power and God knows what else,” said Warren, a frequent Trump critic."

SFGate: Ethics experts see national security concern in Trump's debt

"“Americans should be concerned about the president’s debt because it’s a national security risk for our country,” said Donald Sherman, deputy director of the nonprofit government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW). “This is information that the president has aggressively and repeatedly tried to keep away from the public.”"

"Richard Painter, who served as chief ethics attorney in Republican George W. Bush's White House, also noted that Trump-owned companies have declared bankruptcy six times, raising the question: Why have lenders been willing to keep risking loans of such enormous amounts?

“Why would banks assume the risk on these loans?” Painter said. “Or did someone else quietly assume risk of that loan for the bank to make it happen?”"

"“The Trump Organization consists of hundreds of LLCs (limited liability corporations) that have been listed on his financial disclosure forms,” Clark said. “One of the things that Trump has benefitted from and that oligarchs and money launderers benefit from is opaqueness of LLCs, ... the ease of which individuals can hide their assets, can hide their financial interests.”

Trump refused to divest his business interests after his 2016 victory, and left day-to-day operation of his family’s real estate and other holdings to his sons Donald Jr. and Eric. Still, the president has benefitted personally from U.S. and foreign government activity at his properties since his election and hasn’t shied away from promoting his hotels and golf courses.

Republicans have held at least 88 political events at his properties, the president has visited his hotels and golf courses more than 500 times, and at least 13 foreign governments have held events at Trump establishments, according to a tally by CREW."

"In the runup to his 2016 election victory, Trump played down his bankruptcies as a smart business strategy and even referred to himself as the “king of debt.""

"Painter said that if Trump were attempting to appoint someone with his massive debt load to a high-profile government position, the nominee would almost certainly face trouble getting a security clearance. Indeed, inability or unwillingness to satisfy debts and a history of not meeting financial obligations could disqualify any federal employee from receiving a security clearance, according to government guidelines."

"Peter Schweizer, the president of the Government Accountability Institute, said: “The question is also one of whether the loans are tied to actual assets such as buildings, etc., or was the political figure granted special favors in getting loans. Politicians and their families can engage in commercial transactions, the question is whether the loans are unusual and unique compared to others in the marketplace.""

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The question of loyalty is front and center.

Does Trump serve the American people?

Or does he serve his magic money benefactor creditors?
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Flash said:
You can't threaten blackmail if they are not worried about having the loan publicized or the loan is not callable.

My car insurance is higher if I have a poor credit score.
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Trump is terrified of having his loans publicized. He's built his entire Golden King persona on being perceived as uber wealthy.. .the guy who LENDS his gold, not has to pay it back. The Trumptards bought into that. So did thousands of creditors that Trump fucked over.

Looks like you did too.
 
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ThatOwlWoman said:
Trump is terrified of having his loans publicized. He's built his entire Golden King persona on being perceived as uber wealthy.. .the guy who LENDS his gold, not has to pay it back. The Trumptards bought into that. So did thousands of creditors that Trump fucked over.

Looks like you did too.
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I didn't buy into anything. My point is you are making claims you have no evidence for. You have no clue if he is terrified of having his loans publicized. Based on his business history he has had many large loans which were very public. You are mistakenly assuming I am defending Trump because I challenge the baseless claims made by others. You might be right, but it is all speculation.
 
Trump is supposed to be working for us, the people of America.

We need to know if somebody has something on him, something they can hold over him.

Trump has repeatedly said he has no deals with Russia, even as he tried to get a Tower in Moscow.

His whole family, before the campaign, bragged about how they have so much money coming in from Russia.

These loans stretch out over many years. They are just coming due in the next few years and he doesn't have the money to pay them.

If these deals are exposed that means Trump is a big fat liar about some very basic claims.

1. He had no deals with Russia.

2. He was a great businessman.

All of it could be exposed as lies if he indeed was losing money all over the place and, to make sure he didn't run out of cash, he simply went and borrowed more.

Was he lying about his properties worth?

Was he lying about how much cash flow they generated?

Were his properties being propped up by Russia?

Do all roads Trump lead back to Russia?

Russia, Russia, Russia?
 
PoliTalker said:
"WASHINGTON (AP) — Revelations that President Donald Trump is personally liable for more than $400 million in debt are casting a shadow that ethics experts say raises national security concerns he could be manipulated to sway U.S. policy by organizations or individuals he’s indebted to."

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., was blunt about the potential implications. “He may be vulnerable to financial blackmail from a hostile foreign power and God knows what else,” said Warren, a frequent Trump critic."

SFGate: Ethics experts see national security concern in Trump's debt

"“Americans should be concerned about the president’s debt because it’s a national security risk for our country,” said Donald Sherman, deputy director of the nonprofit government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW). “This is information that the president has aggressively and repeatedly tried to keep away from the public.”"

"Richard Painter, who served as chief ethics attorney in Republican George W. Bush's White House, also noted that Trump-owned companies have declared bankruptcy six times, raising the question: Why have lenders been willing to keep risking loans of such enormous amounts?

“Why would banks assume the risk on these loans?” Painter said. “Or did someone else quietly assume risk of that loan for the bank to make it happen?”"

"“The Trump Organization consists of hundreds of LLCs (limited liability corporations) that have been listed on his financial disclosure forms,” Clark said. “One of the things that Trump has benefitted from and that oligarchs and money launderers benefit from is opaqueness of LLCs, ... the ease of which individuals can hide their assets, can hide their financial interests.”

Trump refused to divest his business interests after his 2016 victory, and left day-to-day operation of his family’s real estate and other holdings to his sons Donald Jr. and Eric. Still, the president has benefitted personally from U.S. and foreign government activity at his properties since his election and hasn’t shied away from promoting his hotels and golf courses.

Republicans have held at least 88 political events at his properties, the president has visited his hotels and golf courses more than 500 times, and at least 13 foreign governments have held events at Trump establishments, according to a tally by CREW."

"In the runup to his 2016 election victory, Trump played down his bankruptcies as a smart business strategy and even referred to himself as the “king of debt.""

"Painter said that if Trump were attempting to appoint someone with his massive debt load to a high-profile government position, the nominee would almost certainly face trouble getting a security clearance. Indeed, inability or unwillingness to satisfy debts and a history of not meeting financial obligations could disqualify any federal employee from receiving a security clearance, according to government guidelines."

"Peter Schweizer, the president of the Government Accountability Institute, said: “The question is also one of whether the loans are tied to actual assets such as buildings, etc., or was the political figure granted special favors in getting loans. Politicians and their families can engage in commercial transactions, the question is whether the loans are unusual and unique compared to others in the marketplace.""

***

The question of loyalty is front and center.

Does Trump serve the American people?

Or does he serve his magic money benefactor creditors?
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Hopefully we find out soon........

Whilst this is a very, very important question, if we found out that it was Russian Oligarchs or putin himself, would trump lose any fans??

 
Flash said:
I guess I would sell some of my properties worth over $2 billion. He and the Godfather can probably work out some deal.
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What properties? Trump's declared losses on all his properties, Flash. That's at the heart of that $70M audit.
 
Flash said:
Would you read Trump's tax returns?
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Yes. But more importantly, so would national security experts who would say POTUS is compromised because of the debt he owes to "undisclosed lenders".

We know it's not any US bank that lent him that money.

So who did?
 
Hello Bill,

Bill said:
Hopefully we find out soon........

Whilst this is a very, very important question, if we found out that it was Russian Oligarchs or putin himself, would trump lose any fans??

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Russia was listening, and acted on Trump's communication with them. If that's not collusion, what was?
 
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