Who's really responsible aside from the bleeping shooter?

[Adolf_Twitler]

I need not prove anything to you.

It's because you look like an idiot trying to prove Donald Trump is NOT a racist- because all of the proof indicates he is a racist!

 

[gfm7175]

It's because you look like an idiot trying to prove Donald Trump is NOT a racist- because all of the prove indicates he is a racist!

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Have you stopped beating your meat yet? LOL!

 

[rjhenn]

The shooter is THE one that ultimately PULLS THE TRIGGER, NO ONE else, sweet cheeks.

So those who convinced him to do the deed bear no responsibility?

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[rjhenn]

You have now completely done away with all trespassing and immigration laws, except with regard to your own house and property. Seems rather selfish to me...

Trespassing is illegal, whether that be trespassing into your house, onto your property, into someone else's house, onto someone else's property, or even into a city/state/country.

Trespassing isn't as universal as you are trying to make it. Anyone can, quite legally, walk through your neighborhood and the streets of your home town, as long as they stay off of private property.

Correct, so long as you are staying on property that the city/township has designated as public property, abiding by any laws relating to such, and so long as you are a US citizen.

citizenship has nothing to do with it. Are you claiming that those rules are different for tourists and other noncitizens?

No, that's what you are doing. You are acting as if trespassing and immigration laws do not exist outside of yourself and your own property.

No, you are acting as if all property is private property. The fallacies, as usual, are all yours.

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[JPF]

It seems, according to the El Paso shooter’s manifesto his agenda was to murder as many Latino people as he could, caused by his frustration with the illegal invasion of Latinos at our southern border. While President Trump’s frustration is well understood being similar, our President has attempted to solve the border invasion legally by building a wall, making an agreement with Mexico for Mexican troops to stop the illegal invasion of thousands of Latinos, & by consistently charging the Congress to amend our immigration and asylum laws to discourage and prevent such invasions of Latinos & others. Donald Trump has done everything he legally can to solve the border situation without a single dime’s wort of help from the Congress, especially the obstructionist Democrats who are intentionally obstructing any & all action by the Congress to solve the problem, simply because the Democrats hate Trump and want him to fail & be blamed for the border humanitarian tragedy, emergency & dilemma.

Taking all of the above into consideration, every sane, honest & intelligent person can only come to the conclusion that The Congress & especially the Democrat Congress critters are responsible for creating the conditions at our border that pushed the El Paso shooter over the edge. If anybody aside from the bleeping insane shooter bears any responsibility for the mass murders it sure as hell isn’t Donald J. Trump, it’s the slackers and obstructionist in the bleeping Congress!

Those who endorse the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Micawber]

It seems, according to the El Paso shooter’s manifesto his agenda was to murder as many Latino people as he could, caused by his frustration with the illegal invasion of Latinos at our southern border. While President Trump’s frustration is well understood being similar, our President has attempted to solve the border invasion legally by building a wall, making an agreement with Mexico for Mexican troops to stop the illegal invasion of thousands of Latinos, & by consistently charging the Congress to amend our immigration and asylum laws to discourage and prevent such invasions of Latinos & others. Donald Trump has done everything he legally can to solve the border situation without a single dime’s wort of help from the Congress, especially the obstructionist Democrats who are intentionally obstructing any & all action by the Congress to solve the problem, simply because the Democrats hate Trump and want him to fail & be blamed for the border humanitarian tragedy, emergency & dilemma.

Taking all of the above into consideration, every sane, honest & intelligent person can only come to the conclusion that The Congress & especially the Democrat Congress critters are responsible for creating the conditions at our border that pushed the El Paso shooter over the edge. If anybody aside from the bleeping insane shooter bears any responsibility for the mass murders it sure as hell isn’t Donald J. Trump, it’s the slackers and obstructionist in the bleeping Congress!

Trump is responsible for not controlling guns and appointing gun nut justices and fomenting dehumanization of Latinos, stupid.

Close this ignorant thread.

 

[Into the Night]

It's because you look like an idiot trying to prove Donald Trump is NOT a racist- because all of the proof indicates he is a racist!

You cannot prove that, for he is not a racist.

 

[Into the Night]

Trespassing isn't as universal as you are trying to make it. Anyone can, quite legally, walk through your neighborhood and the streets of your home town, as long as they stay off of private property.

Sounds pretty universal to me.

citizenship has nothing to do with it.

Doesn't it? A citizen of my private property is welcome on my private property.

Are you claiming that those rules are different for tourists and other noncitizens?

Yes. Yes they are. You should read them sometime.

No, you are acting as if all property is private property.

All property IS private property. Even so-called 'public' property, such as national parks, the white house, and the halls of Congress. Each of these are owned and operated by the federal government.

The fallacies, as usual, are all yours.

Fallacy fallacy. Void argument fallacy. Buzzword fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Those who endorse the 2nd Amendment.

Rather inaccurate. You seem to have forgotten about the mass shootings almost daily in Mexico, Argentina, Yemen, or Russia.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump is responsible for not controlling guns and appointing gun nut justices and fomenting dehumanization of Latinos, stupid.

Close this ignorant thread.

Trump did not write the Constitution nor the 2nd amendment, dumbass.

 

[Gonzomin]

I may be wrong. but doesn't shooting people require a gun or a rifle? If we did not allow the gun lovers to punch up their manhood with weapons, we would have much,much fewer Americans killed by guns. Some of us think that would be good. Gun nuts think a few thousand deaths a year is a low price to pay for the metal dildo.

 

[gfm7175]

Trespassing isn't as universal as you are trying to make it. Anyone can, quite legally, walk through your neighborhood and the streets of your home town, as long as they stay off of private property.

"Isn't as universal as you are trying to make it." ... "ANYONE can... ..." That seems to be universal, no?

citizenship has nothing to do with it.

Yes, it does. Only citizens of my home are allowed into my home.

Are you claiming that those rules are different for tourists and other noncitizens?

Yes, they are different. Tourists are legally allowed into the country. They have a passport. They are supposed to temporarily be in the country. This process is similar to you temporarily inviting me into your home. Illegals are not supposed to be in the country. They trespassed. That is akin to me trespassing into your home and property rather than me requesting temporary presence inside your home and you reviewing and accepting that request. See the difference?

No, you are acting as if all property is private property. The fallacies, as usual, are all yours.

All property IS private property, though. Somebody owns/controls it, whether that be a person, a foundation, an organization, or the city/township/state/etc... Those owners then designate parts of it to be for public use. Other parts they don't allow the public to access. This is even seen at state parks, for example. Hikers can go on specified trails, but they must stay off other areas of the property. Those areas are only for the land owners...

 

[rjhenn]

"Isn't as universal as you are trying to make it." ... "ANYONE can... ..." That seems to be universal, no?

Which really has nothing to do with trespassing.

Yes, it does. Only citizens of my home are allowed into my home.

Your home does not have citizens.

Yes, they are different. Tourists are legally allowed into the country. They have a passport. They are supposed to temporarily be in the country. This process is similar to you temporarily inviting me into your home. Illegals are not supposed to be in the country. They trespassed. That is akin to me trespassing into your home and property rather than me requesting temporary presence inside your home and you reviewing and accepting that request. See the difference?

But illegals are not military invaders.

All property IS private property, though. Somebody owns/controls it, whether that be a person, a foundation, an organization, or the city/township/state/etc... Those owners then designate parts of it to be for public use. Other parts they don't allow the public to access. This is even seen at state parks, for example. Hikers can go on specified trails, but they must stay off other areas of the property. Those areas are only for the land owners...

And as long as you stay on the parts designated for public use, you are not trespassing. No matter who you are.

Your entire argument is a false equivalence fallacy.

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[gfm7175]

I may be wrong. but doesn't shooting people require a gun or a rifle?

Nope, not at all. One could instead use a bow, crossbow, or a slingshot, for example.

If we did not allow the gun lovers to punch up their manhood with weapons,

Not all gun owners are aiming to "punch up their manhood". Some gun owners want guns for target practice, some for varmint control, some for hobby, some for self-defense, etc...

we would have much,much fewer Americans killed by guns. Some of us think that would be good.

No, we wouldn't. Criminals (you know, the people who are actually behind the homicide statistics) would still have their guns all the same, and murder people all the same. The only difference is they would need to acquire guns via another market instead (such as the black market). Prohibition of alcohol didn't work, the "war on drugs" is not working, and neither will the "war on guns" work... You can't kill the free market.

Gun nuts think a few thousand deaths a year is a low price to pay for the metal dildo.

Gun owners are not "nuts"; they are people.
Not all gun owners use their guns as a "metal dildo".
Not everybody shares your unhealthy obsession with sex.
Freedom is worth it.

 

[gfm7175]

Which really has nothing to do with trespassing.

WTF??? This whole correspondence I've been having with you has been about trespassing.........

Your home does not have citizens.

Yes, it does. I am a citizen of my home. I am also a citizen of 'my' Township, of 'my' County, of 'my' State, of 'my' Country, of 'my' Planet, and of 'my' Universe.

But illegals are not military invaders.

Irrelevant. Illegals are not US Citizens, period. They don't have passports. They don't have work visas. They are trespassers. They are lawbreakers. They were not given permission to enter the USA.

And as long as you stay on the parts designated for public use, you are not trespassing.

...so long as you are a US Citizen... and so long as you are following relevant rules/laws regarding such designated space. For example, regarding access to State Parks/Forests, one must first purchase a State Parks & Forests annual vehicle sticker (or a day pass), and one must also purchase a separate annual (or daily) trail pass (if one wishes to use certain trails for biking, horse riding, etc...) You will get fined for failure to do so, because you will be considered a trespasser if you don't have your "passport" (ie, vehicle sticker, trail pass).

No matter who you are.

Incorrect. You must be a US Citizen. If you are not a US Citizen, then you are trespassing in those 'public use' sections as well, since they are part of the USA.

Your entire argument is a false equivalence fallacy.

I am not attempting to equate a house with a country. I am attempting to shine light onto your inconsistent reasoning regarding trespassing on a small scale vs trespassing on a larger scale.


Do you leave your house door open for any "opportunity seeking" foreigner to enter, or do you lock it? Why is this?

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Trump did not write the Constitution nor the 2nd amendment, dumbass.

Donald Trump couldn't give a bloody runny squirt of shit about the Constitution, and neither do his ass-kissers!

 

[Into the Night]

Donald Trump couldn't give a bloody runny squirt of shit about the Constitution, and neither do his ass-kissers!

Lie.

 

[rjhenn]

I may be wrong. but doesn't shooting people require a gun or a rifle? If we did not allow the gun lovers to punch up their manhood with weapons, we would have much,much fewer Americans killed by guns. Some of us think that would be good. Gun nuts think a few thousand deaths a year is a low price to pay for the metal dildo.

It's only control freaks who have sexual fantasies about guns. And if you could get rid of all the guns, you'd just see an increase in crime and likely even more deaths.

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[rjhenn]

WTF??? This whole correspondence I've been having with you has been about trespassing.........

The thread might be about trespassing, but your arguments aren't.

Yes, it does. I am a citizen of my home. I am also a citizen of 'my' Township, of 'my' County, of 'my' State, of 'my' Country, of 'my' Planet, and of 'my' Universe.

More false equivalence. You are a citizen of your state and country. Nothing else.

Irrelevant. Illegals are not US Citizens, period. They don't have passports. They don't have work visas. They are trespassers. They are lawbreakers. They were not given permission to enter the USA.

Irrelevant.

...so long as you are a US Citizen... and so long as you are following relevant rules/laws regarding such designated space. For example, regarding access to State Parks/Forests, one must first purchase a State Parks & Forests annual vehicle sticker (or a day pass), and one must also purchase a separate annual (or daily) trail pass (if one wishes to use certain trails for biking, horse riding, etc...) You will get fined for failure to do so, because you will be considered a trespasser if you don't have your "passport" (ie, vehicle sticker, trail pass).


Incorrect. You must be a US Citizen. If you are not a US Citizen, then you are trespassing in those 'public use' sections as well, since they are part of the USA.


I am not attempting to equate a house with a country. I am attempting to shine light onto your inconsistent reasoning regarding trespassing on a small scale vs trespassing on a larger scale.

Yes, you are trying to equate a house with a country. That is your entire argument.

Do you leave your house door open for any "opportunity seeking" foreigner to enter, or do you lock it? Why is this?

And there you go again, trying to equate a house with a country.

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