Who's your favorite Female senator/congresswoman?

I believe it hasn't been handled well and I chalk it up to not being willing to pursue Al-Queda and the Taliban into Pakistan. That is why they have been resurgent.

Agreed that it's been handled terribly. But I wonder if it was ever necessary to begin with? It's a tough call ,because I was more than happy to see the Taliban get disbanded. I hated those guys. You know, long before a lot of Americans ever heard of them, women's groups, and women's magazines (and I mean very mainstream magazines) were writing about them.

But the thing is, a group of criminals killed 3.000 people. When we invaded and bombed them, we killed innocents. I remember a year or two after our invasion, the childhood severe malnutritions figures had doubled. That's nothing to be proud of. For me these past few years have taught me that I would never, under any circumstances, want children to be killed in retribution for my death. I often wonder if it is ever "justified".

And I think there is a better way. If we had used special operations, and teams of specially trained units, to capture the particular people responsible (both directly and indirectly), might that not have had a better outcome? I would not even be against their assinations. If that is the only way to do it, and if it saves civilian lives. You know, I'm not a pacifist, I really dont' care, fine, kill them. Whatever it takes to take them out. But bombs, invasion and occupation...is that justice?
 
Statement of Ms. BARBARA LEE, on House floor: "Mr. Speaker, I rise today really with a very heavy heart, one that is filled with sorrow for the families and the loved ones who were killed and injured this week. Only the most foolish and the most callous would not understand the grief that has really gripped our people and millions across the world.

This unspeakable act on the United States has forced me, however, to rely on my moral compass, my conscience, and my God for direction. September 11 changed the world. Our deepest fears now haunt us. Yet I am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States. This is a very complex and complicated matter.

This resolution will pass, although we all know that the President can wage a war even without it. However difficult this vote may be, some of us must urge the use of restraint. Our country is in a state of mourning. Some of us must say, let us step back for a moment. Let us just pause for a minute and think through the implications of our actions today so that this does not spiral out of control."

I have agonized over this vote, but I came to grips with it today and I came to grips with opposing this resolution during the very painful yet very beautiful memorial service. As a member of the clergy so eloquently said, ``As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.''

Yeah, I wish I had been listening.
 
She may not have been a foreign policy expert on afghanistan. But, fundamentally she had the good sense to point out that military action and occupation could have unintended consequences....and that we really needed to think things through.

Looking back and given the situation in Afghanistan, those were pretty wise words - don't you think?


Perhaps. Afterall it isn't often history and results that judge our choices not some intrinsic quality to them at the time.
 
Agreed that it's been handled terribly. But I wonder if it was ever necessary to begin with? It's a tough call ,because I was more than happy to see the Taliban get disbanded. I hated those guys. You know, long before a lot of Americans ever heard of them, women's groups, and women's magazines (and I mean very mainstream magazines) were writing about them.

I was saying something should be done as soon as they started making non Muslims wear a pin that said so. Reminded me too much of another awful regime.


And I think there is a better way. If we had used special operations, and teams of specially trained units, to capture the particular people responsible (both directly and indirectly), might that not have had a better outcome? I would not even be against their assinations. If that is the only way to do it, and if it saves civilian lives. You know, I'm not a pacifist, I really dont' care, fine, kill them. Whatever it takes to take them out. But bombs, invasion and occupation...is that justice?


I also agree with that. Wouldn't it be nice if we could return to the days where there was no collateral damage and armies only fought one another? Alas we can never go back. But the knowledge that innocents will be killed should be given great weight before operations are undertaken.

I have been anti-war for much of my life and was one of the reasons I disliked the Clinton administration. I made the mistake of thinking that ousting the Clinton admin would bring about less war.
 
You know what, Barbara Lee won't enter my list of favorites for that but it is deserving of respect regardless. It is hard to be a sole voice of dissent. Another member of Congress I respect very much for being in that same position quite often.
 
Agreed that it's been handled terribly. But I wonder if it was ever necessary to begin with? It's a tough call ,because I was more than happy to see the Taliban get disbanded. I hated those guys. You know, long before a lot of Americans ever heard of them, women's groups, and women's magazines (and I mean very mainstream magazines) were writing about them.

I was saying something should be done as soon as they started making non Muslims wear a pin that said so. Reminded me too much of another awful regime.


And I think there is a better way. If we had used special operations, and teams of specially trained units, to capture the particular people responsible (both directly and indirectly), might that not have had a better outcome? I would not even be against their assinations. If that is the only way to do it, and if it saves civilian lives. You know, I'm not a pacifist, I really dont' care, fine, kill them. Whatever it takes to take them out. But bombs, invasion and occupation...is that justice?


I also agree with that. Wouldn't it be nice if we could return to the days where there was no collateral damage and armies only fought one another? Alas we can never go back. But the knowledge that innocents will be killed should be given great weight before operations are undertaken.

I have been anti-war for much of my life and was one of the reasons I disliked the Clinton administration. I made the mistake of thinking that ousting the Clinton admin would bring about less war.

Yes, the greatest of weight, I agree. It is a very difficult thing not to react with violence in the aftermath of a horrifically violent act. To stop and to think, who will I really hurt with this?
 
You know what, Barbara Lee won't enter my list of favorites for that but it is deserving of respect regardless. It is hard to be a sole voice of dissent. Another member of Congress I respect very much for being in that same position quite often.

Agreed! I remember Richard Gere was booed off of a stage in NY, for expressing similar thoughts. It is very brave to go against such an overwhelming tide.
 
i would believe they are like me, Fair trade is better than Free trade!

Of course, higher tariffs always means that trade is fairer. How the hell is it fair that if I send something over to Japan it doesn't get taxed? Effin ridiculous to even consider such a notion.
 
Isn't Barbara lee the most liberal member of Congress and is the only Congressperson to vote against operations in Afghanistan?
Correct on the second count, but the first is wide open to interpretation.

Lee is not a liberal but a true leftist, in the European mold. One of the few in Congress and probably the most articulate of the lot.
 
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