Why Americans Are Paying More At the Pump

I could be wrong on this, but isn't Obama pursuing a fairly aggressive domestic drilling agenda at this point? It's late, but I thought I had read that he is seeking to open up more offshore & other sites. Don't feel like googling right now.

Regardless, that is what needs to be done. America needs to tap what it has, and also aggressively go renewable & w/ any new ideas on energy that get us off of foreign oil. It's somewhere way beyond ridiculous that we're at the mercy of the most volatile region on the planet...
 
Why do you insist upon creating a strawman every fucking time we discuss an issue? No one stated that the reserves should be released every spring.

I made a statement. I wasn't ascribing that argument to you.

In any event, there is no legitimate reason to release any of the strategic reserves.


Seriously, if you want to have discussions... leave out the straw men. Otherwise the discussions end.

Oh how will I ever live if the guy that calls me a moron every third sentence decides to stop discussing matters with me? Get over yourself, SF. Fucking drama queen.
 
It is interesting how quickly we forget. While gas prices did rise under Bush, when he handed the reigns over to Obama, the national average was under $2 per gallon.

In fact, on December 31, 2008 the national average per gallon was $1.619..


http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/2008-us-gas-price-year-in-review.html

That particular year was an up/down year, it went high in the summer, but went down in the Winter, it stayed down below $2 until February of Obama's inaugural year and has never been that low since and doesn't appear as if it will ever get there again. Topper will have an orgasm over that, but most of us realize that Gasoline prices are inflationary to prices for everything...


Yeah, it's amazing what a severe global recession will do to gas prices but I personally don't think the trade off is worth it.
 
Speculators are raking in profits by gambling in the loosely regulated commodity markets for gas and oil.
A decade ago, speculators controlled only about 30 percent of the oil futures market. Today, Wall Street speculators control more than 80 percent of this market. Many of those people buying and selling oil in the commodity markets will never use a drop of this oil. They are not airlines or trucking companies who will use the fuel in the future. The only function of the speculators in this process is to make as much money as they can, as quickly as they can.

I've seen the raw documents that prove the role of speculators. Commodity Futures Trading Commission records showed that in the summer of 2008, when gas prices spiked to more than $4 a gallon, speculators overwhelmingly controlled the crude oil futures market. The commission, which supposedly represents the interests of the American people, had kept the information hidden from the public for nearly three years. That alone is an outrage. The American people had a right to know exactly who caused gas prices to skyrocket in 2008 and who is causing them to spike today.

Even those inside the oil industry have admitted that speculation is driving up the price of gasoline. The CEO of Exxon-Mobil, Rex Tillerson, told a Senate hearing last year that speculation was driving up the price of a barrel of oil by as much as 40%. The general counsel of Delta Airlines, Ben Hirst, and the experts at Goldman Sachs also said excessive speculation is causing oil prices to spike by up to 40%. Even Saudi Arabia, the largest exporter of oil in the world, told the Bush administration back in 2008, during the last major spike in oil prices, that speculation was responsible for about $40 of a barrel of oil.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/28/opinion/sanders-gas-speculation/index.html



WHAT: A bill on the House floor that will slash next year’s funding for the Commodity Futures Trading Commission — the federal regulator that oversees speculators in oil and other commodities — by a whopping 44 percent below what the president requested. This is also 15 percent less than what the agency got this year, even as the CFTC is preparing to take on the enhanced powers and responsibilities granted to it in under the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform bill.

WHEN: The House started considering the Agriculture Appropriations bill (which includes funding for the CFTC) this afternoon and is expected to finish voting on amendments and move to final passage sometime tomorrow. This will be the third time this year, following earlier votes in February and April, that House Republicans will vote to effectively cripple the CFTC by denying it the funds it needs to do its job.

WHY IT MATTERS: Instead of addressing the rampant oil speculation that everyone from oil companies (Exxon) to commodities traders (Goldman Sachs) to the head of the CFTC (Gary Gensler) agrees is driving up prices, Republicans are slashing the budget for the only agency that can crack down on excessive speculation. In essence, by voting to take the cap off the oil speculation beat, the GOP is guaranteeing that speculators will have free rein to keep driving up prices.
Republicans also continue to vote to maintain billions of dollars in wasteful and unnecessary taxpayer-funded subsidies for oil companies, even as the GOP refuses to drop its plan to end Medicare and its presidential contenders call for trillions of dollars more in tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.
http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/how-the-gop-will-let-speculators-keep-your-gas-prices-high/

Republicans want speculators to game the system for huge profits at America's expense. If Americans are hurting at election time maybe their mormon moron will have a chance. Deregulation and Greedy Oil Party ideology is dragging this country down to the gutter, just where Teapublicans want us.
 
It is interesting how quickly we forget. While gas prices did rise under Bush, when he handed the reigns over to Obama, the national average was under $2 per gallon.

In fact, on December 31, 2008 the national average per gallon was $1.619..


http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/2008-us-gas-price-year-in-review.html

That particular year was an up/down year, it went high in the summer, but went down in the Winter, it stayed down below $2 until February of Obama's inaugural year and has never been that low since and doesn't appear as if it will ever get there again. Topper will have an orgasm over that, but most of us realize that Gasoline prices are inflationary to prices for everything...

Gas at that point was significantly undervalued due to the economic implosion. Realistically it should have been around $2.50-$3 a gallon. But demand got crushed during the height of the panic. It was natural for it to recover back to the $2.5-3 range after the downturn. That said, oil prices are once again over-inflated due to the speculation caused mainly by Iran right now.
 
You could and are wrong Obama isn't pursuing agressive drilling. Compainies are tapping that ass on acreage that has long been available but fracking and new discoveries made land drilling much more economic. That hasn't prevented Obuma from pretending it's due to him.
 
Just a couple of questions, Yurt: (1) Do you think the President should be mentioned or that Bush was unfairly maligned in 2008? (2) Do you think Obama should do something to bring gas prices under control, and, if so, what specifically should he do?

1. i don't believe the president has that much control over gas prices and shares very little of the blame. there is no doubt bush was unfairly blamed and obama is getting the media and liberal double standard.

2. i've already said what should be done, but i will say it again. with prices this high, i believe a small release of the reserves would help. more importantly he needs to talk about expanding drilling. didn't he make a comment once that he believes gas prices are too low? he also could work more with SA. i read the other day they reduced output again.
 
I made a statement. I wasn't ascribing that argument to you.

In any event, there is no legitimate reason to release any of the strategic reserves.




Oh how will I ever live if the guy that calls me a moron every third sentence decides to stop discussing matters with me? Get over yourself, SF. Fucking drama queen.


He wants you to "drop the strawman", but he can't go more than a post or two without referring to someone as "moron" or some other derogatory term.
 
1. i don't believe the president has that much control over gas prices and shares very little of the blame. there is no doubt bush was unfairly blamed and obama is getting the media and liberal double standard.

So you think that Obama should be blamed even though you don't think he actually shares the blame because you think Bush was unfairly blamed? OK.


2. i've already said what should be done, but i will say it again. with prices this high, i believe a small release of the reserves would help. more importantly he needs to talk about expanding drilling. didn't he make a comment once that he believes gas prices are too low? he also could work more with SA. i read the other day they reduced output again.

There is no reason to release any of the strategic reserves. What is the principled basis for doing so? Talk about expanding drilling isn't going to have any impact in the near term whatsoever.

And whatever you read the other day about the Saudis is just plain inaccurate.
 
I've never known of someone so committed to rectifying the "unfair treatment of Bush."

Poor GW - usually, the office of President is hardly criticized at all. It's basically a fun, figurehead kind of position that the media either praises or leaves alone. Why, oh why, did Bush get singled out like that?
 
eral Buck Turgidson;957964]So you think that Obama should be blamed even though you don't think he actually shares the blame because you think Bush was unfairly blamed? OK.

are you capable of not misrepresenting what people say? nothing i said comes close to resembling that. good lord.



There is no reason to release any of the strategic reserves. What is the principled basis for doing so? Talk about expanding drilling isn't going to have any impact in the near term whatsoever.

And whatever you read the other day about the Saudis is just plain inaccurate.

and you're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is not fact.

inaccurate huh?

Saudi Arabia Reduces Crude Oil Production

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ction-exports-in-december-jodi-data-show.html
 
Well, a quick scan of page one of your link reveals that there's only THREE articles from legitimate news sources...the rest are from either right or left wing Op-Ed pieces.

That said, I bet I can find three articles from legitimate news sources blaming Obama for the high prices.

IOW...you were wrong and i was right. go find the 3 articles zappa....stop talking and start doing.
 
Just a l'il reminder, btw - Bush did work IN the oil industry.

I mean, how come the media always says "Chicago-style politics" with Obama, but never did w/ Bush? Huh? Huh?
 
are you capable of not misrepresenting what people say? nothing i said comes close to resembling that. good lord.

So you don't want Obama to be blamed? OK. Well, what the fuck are you bitching about? What "double standard" were you referring to?


and you're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is not fact.


inaccurate huh?

Saudi Arabia Reduces Crude Oil Production

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ction-exports-in-december-jodi-data-show.html


Don't challenge me, junior:

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — As crude oil prices reached a nine-month high on concerns about Iran’s nuclear program, Saudi Arabia has increased its crude exports, and the U.S. is pondering releasing oil from its Strategic Petroleum Reserve, according to media reports Saturday.

Saudi Arabia, the world’s biggest oil exporter, has increased production in the past week and offered additional output to its largest customers to contain prices, Reuters reported.

The kingdom has said publicly that it would increase its output to cover any shortfall to the world supply from Iranian exports, Reuters reported.

The newswire, citing unnamed industry sources, said that Saudi Arabia had increased exports to just over 9 million barrels a day last week, compared with an average of about 7.5 million in January. Reuters said it wasn’t clear if the export numbers were the start of a longer Saudi supply addition or a temporary move.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-02-25/markets/31098416_1_crude-oil-buyers-oil-prices
 
Just a l'il reminder, btw - Bush did work IN the oil industry.

I mean, how come the media always says "Chicago-style politics" with Obama, but never did w/ Bush? Huh? Huh?

what does that have to do with blame you fucking retard? so because bush worked in the oil industry, that is why he was blamed? LOL. you are such a funny little hack.
 
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