DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
No, Russia and China are communist which is conservative. If Russia and China were 'liberal', they would be a run by a bunch of 'tree huggers'
You folks just can't make the connection. EVERY oppressive or totalitarian society is ruled by conservatives, it is what they do...
Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.
Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works. The conservatives in the US are in the same position as the communists in the 30s, and for the same reason: Their revolutions failed spectacularly but they refuse to admit what went wrong.
A common mistake is to confuse Socialism, the economic system, with Communism, the political system. Communists are "socialist" in the same way that Republicans are "compassionate conservatives". That is, they give lip service to ideals they have no intention of practicing.
Its hilarious that you have to make up your own definitions for conservative to justify your beliefs. Why not rely on the definition that the leading proponents of American Conservatism use for themselves?
Here's the principles of American Conservatism, defined by actual conservatives:
http://www.conservative.org/about-acu/principles/We, as young conservatives, believe:
• That foremost among the transcendent values is the individual’s use of his God-given free will, whence derives his right to be free from the restrictions of arbitrary force;
• That liberty is indivisible, and that political freedom cannot long exist without economic freedom;
• That the purpose of government is to protect those freedoms through the preservation of internal order, the provision of national defense, and the administration of justice;
• That when government ventures beyond these rightful functions, it accumulates power, which tends to diminish order and liberty;
• That the Constitution of the United States is the best arrangement yet devised for empowering government to fulfill its proper role, while restraining it from the concentration and abuse of power;
• That the genius of the Constitution—the division of powers—is summed up in the clause that reserves primacy to the several states, or to the people, in those spheres not specifically delegated to the Federal government;
• That the market economy, allocating resources by the free play of supply and demand, is the single economic system compatible with the requirements of personal freedom and constitutional government, and that it is at the same time the most productive supplier of human needs;
• That when government interferes with the work of the market economy, it tends to reduce the moral and physical strength of the nation; that when it takes from one man to bestow on another, it diminishes the incentive of the first, the integrity of the second, and the moral autonomy of both;
• That we will be free only so long as the national sovereignty of the United States is secure; that history shows periods of freedom are rare, and can exist only when free citizens concertedly defend their rights against all enemies;
• That the forces of international Communism are, at present, the greatest single threat to these liberties;
• That the United States should stress victory over, rather than coexistance with, this menace; and
• That American foreign policy must be judged by this criterion: does it serve the just interests of the United States?
And here's the principles of American Liberalism:
http://americanliberalism.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=4893We believe that Liberalism is an evolutionary advance over Conservatism and that it represents the better nature of human beings. Accordingly, we believe that the politics of conservatives in America are grounded in a culture of fear and a false and ugly view of humanity, one which much of the thinking arising in the Enlightenment and of consequence in the founding of the United States of America both disputes and dispels.
Notice that liberals don't have the courage to define their own movement, except to say that they are 'against conservatives'. Like you, they try to define conservatism in an absurd way.