Why I am am athiest

T. A. Gardner said:
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So you choose to ignore English and throw insults. Gotit. Lame.
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
This defintion of agnostic, your definition? "An agnostic believes in a god or gods, but cannot describe their character."

doesn't sound like what I said at all.
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It exactly describes you.

You claim you take from every religion morals and ethics. That is a claim to all religions (at least the ones that have morals and ethics!).
You have also claimed to be a Buddhist, but then temper that claim with 'all religions'.

That means you have a religion, but cannot characterize the nature of the god, gods, demons, or anything else about it. All you have stated in your beliefs is that there is 'something out there'. Indeed, you have often described your views in this area as 'beliefs'.

That is the very definition of an agnostic.
 
Into the Night said:
It exactly describes you.

You claim you take from every religion morals and ethics. That is a claim to all religions (at least the ones that have morals and ethics!).
You have also claimed to be a Buddhist, but then temper that claim with 'all religions'.

That means you have a religion, but cannot characterize the nature of the god, gods, demons, or anything else about it. All you have stated in your beliefs is that there is 'something out there'. Indeed, you have often described your views in this area as 'beliefs'.

That is the very definition of an agnostic.
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that has nothing to do with your definition of agnostic.
 
Into the Night said:
It exactly describes you.

You claim you take from every religion morals and ethics. That is a claim to all religions (at least the ones that have morals and ethics!).
You have also claimed to be a Buddhist, but then temper that claim with 'all religions'.

That means you have a religion, but cannot characterize the nature of the god, gods, demons, or anything else about it. All you have stated in your beliefs is that there is 'something out there'. Indeed, you have often described your views in this area as 'beliefs'.

That is the very definition of an agnostic.
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you're a fucking idiot.

Your religion is idiocy.

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Kafka said:
There's a lot to unpack in the OT. It certainly reads like standard issue mythology written by a people to explain why and where they have found themselves here. The interesting different aspect to the OT Jewish origin story is that it does have a solid amount of self-reflection in it. The Jews in the OT often find themselves to have wandered away from God briefly and been punished for it. It carries with it a through line of "We must do better." lest they incur the wrath of their protector. And that's kinda neat. It's easy enough to imagine a people writing their mythology with an eye toward self-aggrandizement. But the Jews go a slightly different route. And it's actually kinda cool.

In some respects it carries over into the NT and Christianity where the key part of Christian soteriology is the acceptance that we are all fallen and fall far short of God's desires for us. "We can do better".

Only problem with religion: sure we can do better but we aren't. And there's no God to stop us from doing whatever evil is truly in our hearts. And no God needed to help us do better and be better people and to care for those around us.

But we won't take the second route. We never do.
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I think even agnostics might agree that biblical scriptures can at least be considered masterpieces of divine inspiration. It's brilliantly cross-referenced across different books, written by various authors in different times and places. This interconnectedness supports and validates many prophecies and narratives, showing a coherent plan that spans from Genesis to Revelation. For instance, prophecies in the Old Testament about the Messiah are directly echoed in the New Testament accounts of Jesus's life, death, and resurrection. This isn't just a testament to the divine authorship but also to the meticulous nature of how these texts were preserved and passed down.

Many incredibly intelligent and respected scholars, theologians, and philosophers have dedicated their lives to studying the Bible, unapologetically speaking of its brilliance. They highlight how the stories can be understood at multiple levels-- literally, where historical events and figures are taken at face value, and metaphorically, where these same stories provide deeper moral, spiritual, and philosophical lessons. The Old Testament, for example, captures the essence of humanity's early struggles with the consequences of free will, illustrating through its narratives how humans, or "fallen man," often err, yet are guided back towards righteousness through God's law and prophets.

In contrast, the New Testament introduces the concept of grace, offering a path to mercy, forgiveness, and spiritual fulfillment. This is not through works or personal perfection but simply through faith in God's existence and the acknowledgment of Jesus's sacrifice. This transition from law to grace in the Bible showcases a profound narrative arc of redemption, where the soul's salvation is made accessible, emphasizing the love and mercy of God towards His creation. The depth of these stories, both in their literal recounting and their metaphorical richness, continues to inspire and guide believers, providing a framework for understanding life, morality, and our relationship with the divine. Otherwise known as wisdom.

But Here we have a very special breed of Libtard drone, the utterly egotistical pompous fool. I think his ridiculous statements are much more fun to read, if you imagine a Stephen Fry kind of voice or an even thicker british accent. He's 'extremely' well educated, at least he attempts to make it clear with every sentence. We all know the type. As he works on his attempt to wow us all, he only digs himself a deep enough hole to stare at hell itself. He won't be happy with anyone suggesting that he's full of shit, but I can't help myself. The following is just poking a bit of fun at his annoying style of expressing Libtard lunacy. Don't forget the accent. LOL

'The singular differentiation between his piffle and that of a subterranean millennial, sporting a newly tonsured scalp and a novel mandate for self-indulgence, is an ego of cosmic magnitude and a meticulously honed grandiloquence. This lamentable conclave of hubristic tyros remains egregiously uninformed regarding the provenance of the Scriptural compendium, the teleology of its chronicles, and the raison d'être of the New Testament.' LOL

I certainly don't pretend I know anything for certain, but I will say anyone that quickly dismisses the Bible as a book of nice or crazy stories written by someone to keep people in line, so those in power could control the masses. In my opinion, that or anything close, is an assertion of a complete door knob, especially from a 'highly educated' drone.

Believe as you wish, but maybe show some respect for the intelligence of people throughout written history instead of writing them off as unenlightened Neanderthals. And please I beg you to spare me the example of crazy shit people used to believe as proof people were not on your level. Just browse through social media for about 5 minutes and tell me people with crazy beliefs and habits are a thing of the past.

This has merely been an observation and opinion concerning with an attempt to describe what I call a foolish argument born of ignorance. One verse I've always liked, even before I found evidence based faith I think describes our current predicament, it's very simple so it stuck with me:

Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Secularist: You could care less about religion. You don't care if there's a god or not. Religion is unimportant to you.
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I have a hard time believing anyone is truly neutral and incurious about it.
T. A. Gardner said:
Atheist: You have a religious belief there is no god or gods and have some system of belief that goes with that.
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It requires more than just a disbelief in gods, It requires a rejection of any ultimate purpose, ultimate meaning, or in any ultimate transcendent truth. Genuine atheism is a belief in pure materialism and strict physicalism.
 
Cypress said:
It requires more than just a disbelief in gods, It requires a rejection of any ultimate purpose, ultimate meaning, or in any ultimate transcendent truth. Genuine atheism is a belief in pure materialism and strict physicalism.
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You sound like a Sunday School teacher.
 
Tobytone said:
I think even agnostics might agree that biblical scriptures can at least be considered masterpieces of divine inspiration. It's brilliantly cross-referenced across different books, written by various authors in different times and places. This interconnectedness supports and validates many prophecies and narratives, showing a coherent plan that spans from Genesis to Revelation. For instance, prophecies in the Old Testament about the Messiah are directly echoed in the New Testament accounts of Jesus's life, death, and resurrection. This isn't just a testament to the divine authorship but also to the meticulous nature of how these texts were preserved and passed down.

Many incredibly intelligent and respected scholars, theologians, and philosophers have dedicated their lives to studying the Bible, unapologetically speaking of its brilliance. They highlight how the stories can be understood at multiple levels-- literally, where historical events and figures are taken at face value, and metaphorically, where these same stories provide deeper moral, spiritual, and philosophical lessons. The Old Testament, for example, captures the essence of humanity's early struggles with the consequences of free will, illustrating through its narratives how humans, or "fallen man," often err, yet are guided back towards righteousness through God's law and prophets.

In contrast, the New Testament introduces the concept of grace, offering a path to mercy, forgiveness, and spiritual fulfillment. This is not through works or personal perfection but simply through faith in God's existence and the acknowledgment of Jesus's sacrifice. This transition from law to grace in the Bible showcases a profound narrative arc of redemption, where the soul's salvation is made accessible, emphasizing the love and mercy of God towards His creation. The depth of these stories, both in their literal recounting and their metaphorical richness, continues to inspire and guide believers, providing a framework for understanding life, morality, and our relationship with the divine. Otherwise known as wisdom.
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Many agnostics do just exactly this. Good observation!
Tobytone said:
But Here we have a very special breed of Libtard drone, the utterly egotistical pompous fool. I think his ridiculous statements are much more fun to read, if you imagine a Stephen Fry kind of voice or an even thicker british accent. He's 'extremely' well educated, at least he attempts to make it clear with every sentence. We all know the type. As he works on his attempt to wow us all, he only digs himself a deep enough hole to stare at hell itself. He won't be happy with anyone suggesting that he's full of shit, but I can't help myself. The following is just poking a bit of fun at his annoying style of expressing Libtard lunacy. Don't forget the accent. LOL

'The singular differentiation between his piffle and that of a subterranean millennial, sporting a newly tonsured scalp and a novel mandate for self-indulgence, is an ego of cosmic magnitude and a meticulously honed grandiloquence. This lamentable conclave of hubristic tyros remains egregiously uninformed regarding the provenance of the Scriptural compendium, the teleology of its chronicles, and the raison d'être of the New Testament.' LOL

I certainly don't pretend I know anything for certain, but I will say anyone that quickly dismisses the Bible as a book of nice or crazy stories written by someone to keep people in line, so those in power could control the masses. In my opinion, that or anything close, is an assertion of a complete door knob, especially from a 'highly educated' drone.
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Here I completely agree. The Bible contains many valuable counsels, and shows many examples of those that don't follow them. It is also a testament of God, and His Son, Jesus Christ, and what they did for the world and everyone in it.

Of course, there are those that don't believe in any god or gods, and try to prove that none exist. These are not atheists. They belong to the Church of No God, a fundamentalist style religion.

An atheist doesn't care whether any god or gods exist or not. It is the ONLY stance of non-belief. Science is atheistic. It doesn't care. Whether God, or any god or gods exist or not makes no difference to science. It is the same with mathematics. It is the same with logic.

Whether any god or gods exists or not doesn't change the fact that 2+2=4, or that F=mA is a theory of science.
Tobytone said:
Believe as you wish, but maybe show some respect for the intelligence of people throughout written history instead of writing them off as unenlightened Neanderthals.
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Tolerance is not taught in the Catholic Church.
Tobytone said:
And please I beg you to spare me the example of crazy shit people used to believe as proof people were not on your level. Just browse through social media for about 5 minutes and tell me people with crazy beliefs and habits are a thing of the past.
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Heh. They are very much a thing of not only the past, but of today as well!

I think Dave Barry said it the best. "No matter which culture you visit, or what people you meet, we all have one thing in common...we're all crazy!"

Tobytone said:
This has merely been an observation and opinion concerning with an attempt to describe what I call a foolish argument born of ignorance. One verse I've always liked, even before I found evidence based faith I think describes our current predicament, it's very simple so it stuck with me:

Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"
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The Bible does say it so well often times, doesn't it? :thumbsup:
 
Cypress said:
I have a hard time believing anyone is truly neutral and incurious about it.

It requires more than just a disbelief in gods, It requires a rejection of any ultimate purpose, ultimate meaning, or in any ultimate transcendent truth. Genuine atheism is a belief in pure materialism and strict physicalism.
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Atheism isn't a belief at all. It doesn't care whether any god or gods exist or not. What YOU are describing is a religion. The Church of No God is such a religion. It is a fundamentalist style religion.
 
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