Why is the Democratic Convention being held in a right wing racist state?

Hawkeye10 said:
I dont know where you are....If I had to pick three people here to share a pitcher of lemonade on the front porch then FRANK APISA is one of those guys.

Do U understand?
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no.....after reading his posts these last few years it is incomrehensible that anyone would voluntarily be in his company.....
 
StoneByStone said:
Sure, but the point is that Medicare for All isn't a far-left idea anymore. And generally speaking, the things that get normalized across the board in the West are good.
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I think the West has been going downhill culturally since the 2000s. The 90s were basically the apex of Western culture.

There will come a time when certain cultures outside of the West will rise to the top. We already see that Islamic culture will eventually replace parts of Europe, for example. Progressivism has reached a point where it is self-destructive. This is already beginning to show in things like birth rates and suicide rates.
 
Nordberg said:
Our system treats healthcare as a commodity and a corporate business. It uses the 6 sigma methods and tries to lower costs by stockpiling as little as they can get away with. It provides a min of beds so they are not wasting profits on empty rooms. Cost-cutting for profit results in finding the cheapest doctors they can get and paying nurses and workers as little as possible. Healthcare is a right, not a for-profit business. We are the only industrial country that does this.
Insurance companies stand between customers and healthcare. They determine what treatments you can get. They pick your doctors and hospitals. They increase profits by denying treatment, so they do.
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I agree with you on insurance. Honestly, I'd be ok with nationalizing all insurance, since it's the only industry where you profit more from denying service than providing it.

That's the issue though. The rest of the medical industry is mostly ok. Get rid of the insurance middlemen, and the problem is mostly solved. Now, if you want to create a public healthcare system that still leaves room for a competitive private one, then I'm ok with that. That's how France does it. It allows consumers to reap the benefits of each system.
 
Woko Haram said:
I agree with you on insurance. Honestly, I'd be ok with nationalizing all insurance, since it's the only industry where you profit more from denying service than providing it.

That's the issue though. The rest of the medical industry is mostly ok. Get rid of the insurance middlemen, and the problem is mostly solved. Now, if you want to create a public healthcare system that still leaves room for a competitive private one, then I'm ok with that. That's how France does it. It allows consumers to reap the benefits of each system.
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It would be a good start. Then see how it works. Healthcare is a real fear for almost all Americans who are one illness away from financial disaster, even with insurance. To the rich, it is couch change. They see the people getting insurance coverage as costing them money. They fight that with religious zeal.
 
Woko Haram said:
I think the West has been going downhill culturally since the 2000s. The 90s were basically the apex of Western culture.
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In what ways? If you mean art, that's subjective.

There will come a time when certain cultures outside of the West will rise to the top. We already see that Islamic culture will eventually replace parts of Europe, for example. Progressivism has reached a point where it is self-destructive. This is already beginning to show in things like birth rates and suicide rates.
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So I don't know if you're part of the Alt-Right, but this is a huge Alt-Right talking point that just isn't true for two reasons.

First, the amount of Muslims being taken in is extremely small. The Muslim population is less than 10% in Sweden, Germany, the UK, France, Denmark, Austria, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Norway. These are the countries the Alt-Right most cites as being flooded with Muslims.

Secondly, white Muslims are assimilating in Europe just like they're assimilating in America. Some European countries have already been majority Muslim for decades. Muslims make up the majority in Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and North Macedonia. These countries haven't replaced Western culture with Muslim culture. They still have Democracy and their native European cultures.
 
Nordberg said:
It would be a good start. Then see how it works. Healthcare is a real fear for almost all Americans who are one illness away from financial disaster, even with insurance. To the rich, it is couch change. They see the people getting insurance coverage as costing them money. They fight that with religious zeal.
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The insurance industry was quite fond of the ACA, actually. A lot of the medical industry was as well.

The people who fought the ACA were mostly those who understood that mandatory private insurance just means higher premiums.

The real fight involved here would be the insurance industry not wanting to lose its hold on the system. Those are the only "rich" to blame here.
 
StoneByStone said:
In what ways? If you mean art, that's subjective.
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In the American context, Democrats weren't as much into identity politics. They still had a significant working class focus. They were also much more supportive of free speech than they are today. They still recognized the importance of border security.

In the European context, the EU hadn't ventured as far into social policy. It was still primarily an economic institution that allowed its members to make most of their own policies outside of trade.


StoneByStone said:
So I don't know if you're part of the Alt-Right, but this is a huge Alt-Right talking point that just isn't true for two reasons.

First, the amount of Muslims being taken in is extremely small. The Muslim population is less than 10% in Sweden, Germany, the UK, France, Denmark, Austria, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Norway. These are the countries the Alt-Right most cites as being flooded with Muslims.

Secondly, white Muslims are assimilating in Europe just like they're assimilating in America. Some European countries have already been majority Muslim for decades. Muslims make up the majority in Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and North Macedonia. These countries haven't replaced Western culture with Muslim culture. They still have Democracy and their native European cultures.
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And yet, Arab Muslims are quite different, no? They also have significantly higher birth rates. All of the most feminist and progressive European countries have low native birth rates. In combination with immigration and refugee policies, that adds up.
 
Woko Haram said:
The insurance industry was quite fond of the ACA, actually. A lot of the medical industry was as well.

The people who fought the ACA were mostly those who understood that mandatory private insurance just means higher premiums.

The real fight involved here would be the insurance industry not wanting to lose its hold on the system. Those are the only "rich" to blame here.
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It extended coverage to millions who were without. it made huge strides in many ways, including no limits on costs, forcing Insurance Companies to 15 profit margins and several others.l like pre-existing conditions. It was an important first step. Anyone had to know the Repubs would try to kill it. Obama could not take insurance companies out of the equation for obvious political reasons.
 
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