Why Isn't There a Palestinian State?

[BattleofHodow]

So they don't die. That would be a good reason in my book.

Because they gambled, went to war and lost. That's another common reason.

By the way, which Palestinians have lived there for the past 1,300 years?


Would you care to define this "Anglosphere"? [oops! cognitive dissonance kicking in ... one ... two ... done!]


A Pole walks into the optometrist office for an exam. The optometrist shows him the eye chart and asks him to read as far as he can. The Pole says "Wow! I went to school with that guy!"

Many different groups have occupied Israel / Palestine over the years.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/40fb454e747d59b448f56f3fe3ef30b2.png

Including Ancient Egyptians, including Ancient Mesopotamians (Like Iraqis) including Arab conquests & also Romans (Italians) and Byzantines (Greeks) as well (Turks)

Each of these groups actually conquered Israel / Palestine for longer periods than Jews had.

Maybe we should just get it over with, and give Israel / Palestine to Italian (Romans)

 

[BattleofHodow]

So they don't die. That would be a good reason in my book.

Because they gambled, went to war and lost. That's another common reason.

By the way, which Palestinians have lived there for the past 1,300 years?


Would you care to define this "Anglosphere"? [oops! cognitive dissonance kicking in ... one ... two ... done!]


A Pole walks into the optometrist office for an exam. The optometrist shows him the eye chart and asks him to read as far as he can. The Pole says "Wow! I went to school with that guy!"

What's your issue with Polish people?

Polish Americans are actually one of the most intellectually productive groups in the USA, almost as high as Ashkenazi Jewish Americans. (Considering, there's only 8 - 10 million Polish Americans.)

Polish Americans in 1970 scored a 109 IQ, beating Chinese Americans, German Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans.

https://books.google.com/books?id=H...v=onepage&q=Polish American IQ Asians&f=false

Poles helped produce 4 excellent physicists for the USA.

Nikodem Poplawski known as Next Einstein, behind the theory that every Black Hole contains another Universe.

https://www.silive.com/entertainmen...t_snags_interview_with_the_next_einstein.html

Wojciech Zurek who's theory in Quantum Darwinism is gaining traction.

https://www.wired.com/story/quantum-darwinism-could-be-what-makes-reality-real/

Abraham Michelson the first to win a USA Nobel Prize in science, and first to study the speed of light.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_A._Michelson

Frank Wilczek a Nobel Prize winning Phyisicist for Asymptotic freedom.

https://onbeing.org/programs/frank-wilczek-why-is-the-world-so-beautiful-jun2018/

Poles helped produce other USA scientists.

Jack Szostak who won a USA Nobel Prie for discovering the code of Telomeres, he also invented the YAC used to study the Human Genome project.

https://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/laureates/szostak

Victor Ambros who discovered the first microRNA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Ambros

Aleksander Wolcszcan who discovered Pulsar Planets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Wolszczan

Bronislaw Mailonowski was one of the most respected 20th century Anthropologists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronisław_Malinowski

People of Polish heritages, founded the USA Helicopter industry.
Like Igor Sikorsky & Frank Piasecki.

Other Polish Americans who include engineers, inventors & technology innovators include.

Steven Wozniak engineered & founded Apple Computers, and invented the Universal Remote.

Miecszyslaw Bekker invented the concept of a Lunar Rover.

Stephenie Kwolek invented Kevlar.

Stephen Poplawski invented the blender.

Tadeusz Sendzimir invented the process most steel was galvanized by.

Casimir Zeglen invented the bullet proof vest.

Josef Hofman invented windshield wipers, shock absorbers for vehicles & oil burning furnace prototype.

Ralph Modjeski the premier USA bridge designer.

As well as Polish American medicine & med tech.

Maria Siemienow performed the first USA face transplant surgery.

Walter Golaski invented the first practical blood vessel replacement.

Jozef Cywinski invented the first pacemaker on the market.

Stanley Dudrick invented intravenous feeding.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Are you sure you're not just being a snowflake? It's just a picture, no need to lose sleep over it.

He's definitely a snowflake, but so is anyone whose signature is larger than their posts 99.9% of the time.

 

[IBDaMann]

This is a common defense of Israel's atrocities. It's the "we were here first" rule.

Which is itself a subheading of "They were the original aggressors."

Side B points to some event in modern history whereby side A clearly was aggressive.
Side A: Yes, but that was in response to your prior attemtp to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side B: Yes, but that was in response to your prior attemtp to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side A: Yes, but that was in response to your prior attemtp to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side B: Yes, but that was in response to your prior attemtp to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side A: Yes, but that was in response to your prior attemtp to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side B: Yes, but that was in response to your prior attemtp to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side A: Yes, but that was in response to your prior attemtp to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side B: Yes, but that was in response to your prior attemtp to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.

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Side A: Yes, but we were just defending our existential threat from your genocidal crusade 1,250 years ago to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side B: Yes, but we were just defending our existential threat from your genocidal crusade 1,275 years ago to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side A: Yes, but we were just defending our existential threat from your genocidal crusade 1,300 years ago to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side B: Yes, but we were just defending our existential threat from your genocidal crusade 1,325 years ago to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side A: Yes, but we were just defending our existential threat from your genocidal crusade 1,350 years ago to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.
Side B: Yes, but we were just defending our existential threat from your genocidal crusade 1,375 years ago to destroy our people and to destroy our religion.

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Side A: Yes, but we were just struggling to escape from the bondage in which you had enslaved our ancestors 2,500 years ago.
Side B: Yes, but we were just struggling to escape from the bondage in which you had enslaved our ancestors 2,600 years ago.
Side A: Yes, but we were just struggling to escape from the bondage in which you had enslaved our ancestors 2,700 years ago.
Side B: Yes, but we were just struggling to escape from the bondage in which you had enslaved our ancestors 2,800 years ago.

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Side A: Yes, but that was in response to your pillaging of our caves 5,400 years ago. We were left with nothing to eat.
Side B: That's not true ... that wasn't us.
Side A: Yes it was. Many innocent women and children died from your aggression.
Side B: Liars!
Side A: Murderers! Thieves!

There is no solution to be had by discussing any history. There is no root cause to be realized. There is no common ground to be reached.

I wonder how these American supporters of this logic would react of American Indians started stealing land from other Americans and then tried to justify it with the same logic.

The US previously had settled on a solution to that very issue: The US Army.

Today I think the solution has migrated to "Federal Agents."

 

[IBDaMann]

What's your issue with Polish people?

They're generally good people, they like soccer/football/calcio and they are generally good to have on your team.

Polish Americans are actually one of the most intellectually productive groups in the USA,

Even though you are totally making that up, I believe it nonetheless.

Polish Americans in 1970 scored a 109 IQ,

There is no such thing as a valid IQ test. Give it up. All brains are biological neural nets. Each brain is unique. Each brain has its strengths and weaknesses, being physically finite.

I'm sorry you never learned this but I really shouldn't be the first person to teach you this.

Any given person's "IQ" score is directly dependent upon how the test aligns with his cognitive strengths.

Using the following IQ test, you are far dumber than a chimpanzee.

Poles helped produce 4 excellent physicists for the USA.

You got that straight.

Many poles strengths align well with the sciences and mathematics. Unfortunately, poles don't have as much strength when it comes to running their economy. They should leave that to others.

 

[BattleofHodow]

They're generally good people, they like soccer/football/calcio and they are generally good to have on your team.


Even though you are totally making that up, I believe it nonetheless.


There is no such thing as a valid IQ test. Give it up. All brains are biological neural nets. Each brain is unique. Each brain has its strengths and weaknesses, being physically finite.

I'm sorry you never learned this but I really shouldn't be the first person to teach you this.

Any given person's "IQ" score is directly dependent upon how the test aligns with his cognitive strengths.

Using the following IQ test, you are far dumber than a chimpanzee.

You got that straight.

Many poles strengths align well with the sciences and mathematics. Unfortunately, poles don't have as much strength when it comes to running their economy. They should leave that to others.

Oh great, another goofy Individualist.
There might be differences in individuals on IQ.
But, different groups have different tendencies.

Poles can't run an economy?
Really?

Is that why Poland has been generally at the top, or even the top of economic growth in Europe since 1990?

Poland was looted in both World War 1 & World War 2.

Before becoming a Communist state, which stagnated the economy.

Not Polish people's faults, that Germans & Russians are such trash-heaps of Humanity.

 

[IBDaMann]

Oh great, another goofy Individualist.

So what do you believe you mean by that? If you think that your stupid models somehow justify the concept of a standardized "IQ" then you are more stupid than a chimp.

Have you been swinging from any good trees lately? Hey, it explains your inability to grasp economics.

There might be differences in individuals on IQ.

There's no such thing as an IQ. There can be no such thing as "tendencies" on something that doesn't exist.

Poles can't run an economy? Really?

Shall we talk about Poland's history of poor economic decisions? Let's start with their decision to be in the EU.

Look, we already know that you suck at economics so naturally you think that Poland scraping by is totally wonderful. I don't. Poland could have been doing so much better today had it not been a culture that cultivates socialism.

Is that why Poland has been generally at the top, or even the top of economic growth in Europe since 1990?

That's the only possibility when you're at the bottom.

Poland was looted in both World War 1 & World War 2.

Poland's decision to not invest in self defense caused it to lose a whole lot more. Poles historically make poor governing and economic decisions.

Not Polish people's faults,

All Polish diplomacy and decisions were the Polish people's fault. 100%.

 

[BattleofHodow]

So what do you believe you mean by that? If you think that your stupid models somehow justify the concept of a standardized "IQ" then you are more stupid than a chimp.

Have you been swinging from any good trees lately? Hey, it explains your inability to grasp economics.


There's no such thing as an IQ. There can be no such thing as "tendencies" on something that doesn't exist.


Shall we talk about Poland's history of poor economic decisions? Let's start with their decision to be in the EU.

Look, we already know that you suck at economics so naturally you think that Poland scraping by is totally wonderful. I don't. Poland could have been doing so much better today had it not been a culture that cultivates socialism.


That's the only possibility when you're at the bottom.


Poland's decision to not invest in self defense caused it to lose a whole lot more. Poles historically make poor governing and economic decisions.


All Polish diplomacy and decisions were the Polish people's fault. 100%.

Poland joining the EU, was smart in terms of economics, but stupid in terms of cultural aspirations.

It's not Poland's fault, that it's a medium sized nation, surrounded by Europe's 2 biggest population centers throughout history.

Even if Poland spent as much as Nazi Germany had on military, it's very unlikely it could've outmatched a bigger nation to the West, with help of Slovakia in the South & help of even much bigger Soviets in the East.

Besides, Poland's economic budget, made it impossible to spend as much on military, because Poland was just a nation for 20 years, so it's unrealistic for it to have had enough wealth

You like most Western Europeans, are very ignorant, arrogant, and so one track minded.

You people don't see gray areas, because you are prehistoric predators.

 

[IBDaMann]

Poland joining the EU, was smart in terms of economics, but stupid in terms of cultural aspirations.

Nope. Selling your country into slavery is never smart. What country is going to maximize it's growth by putting itself under the administrative control of an unelected board in another country?

The bottom line is that joining the EU was stupid, not smart.

It's not Poland's fault, that it's a medium sized nation, surrounded by Europe's 2 biggest population centers throughout history.

Poland could have had better relations with Russia. Poland could have worked to stop Hitler a decade earlier rather than sit like bumps on a log.

Besides, Poland's economic budget, made it impossible to spend as much on military,

Poland's small budget was a result of poor previous economic decisions. Poland, just like most of Europe, isn't that effective when it comes to economic matters. They are more concerned with getting their warm-fuzzy feeling of socialism and authoritarianism.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Nope. Selling your country into slavery is never smart. What country is going to maximize it's growth by putting itself under the administrative control of an unelected board in another country?

The bottom line is that joining the EU was stupid, not smart.


Poland could have had better relations with Russia. Poland could have worked to stop Hitler a decade earlier rather than sit like bumps on a log.


Poland's small budget was a result of poor previous economic decisions. Poland, just like most of Europe, isn't that effective when it comes to economic matters. They are more concerned with getting their warm-fuzzy feeling of socialism and authoritarianism.

The EU is good for economics, actually, because of free trade, you don't know what you're talking about in general.

Why would Poland want better relations with Soviets, when they killed 111,000 Poles in the Polish Operation of the NKVD in 1937 - 1938?

Poland had a non-aggressive pact with both Nazi Germany & the Soviet Union, which they breached in September of 1939.

How was Poland supposed to turn around a country that was just re-born in 1919?

Many countries like Ireland & Finland took from 1919 to 1980 to reach equality with the West in Per Capita Income GDP.

It takes time to build up an economy, but you know so little, in general.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Nope. Selling your country into slavery is never smart. What country is going to maximize it's growth by putting itself under the administrative control of an unelected board in another country?

The bottom line is that joining the EU was stupid, not smart.


Poland could have had better relations with Russia. Poland could have worked to stop Hitler a decade earlier rather than sit like bumps on a log.


Poland's small budget was a result of poor previous economic decisions. Poland, just like most of Europe, isn't that effective when it comes to economic matters. They are more concerned with getting their warm-fuzzy feeling of socialism and authoritarianism.

Europe excluding Belarus, isn't really Socialist, today, anyways, you stupid fcker.

You Republican Animals don't know the difference between the economies of Sweden & North Korea.

The economy of Europe was ruined by German World Wars & Soviet Communism.

But, that is changing fast, what do you know?

It's not surprising that countries that largely avoided WW2 are doing better economically today, like Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Ireland etc.

Not surprising that countries that avoided Communism are doing better economically, than ones that were held hostage by Stalin.

 

[IBDaMann]

Europe excluding Belarus, isn't really Socialist, today, anyways, you stupid fcker.

One day a German decides to visit Poland. The border control officer asks the standard questions.
Border Control Officer: "Nationality?"
German: "Deutsch!"
Border Control Officer: "Occupation?"
German: "No, just visiting."

The economy of Europe was ruined by German World Wars & Soviet Communism.

Yes, Europe totally screwed itself by embracing Marxism and suffering all the economic disaster, the social discontent, the wars, the unnecessary killing of millions. Yeah, how you think the European Union is a good thing I'll never understand. Anyway, fortunately for the UK they wised up and left.

Not surprising that countries that avoided Communism are doing better economically, than ones that were held hostage by Stalin.

There has never been any communism. Socialist dictators never step down.

 

[BattleofHodow]

One day a German decides to visit Poland. The border control officer asks the standard questions.
Border Control Officer: "Nationality?"
German: "Deutsch!"
Border Control Officer: "Occupation?"
German: "No, just visiting."



Yes, Europe totally screwed itself by embracing Marxism and suffering all the economic disaster, the social discontent, the wars, the unnecessary killing of millions. Yeah, how you think the European Union is a good thing I'll never understand. Anyway, fortunately for the UK they wised up and left.


There has never been any communism. Socialist dictators never step down.

America, totally screwed it's self over by Capitalist multiculturalism.

The reason why the USA has tons of third-world riff raffs worse than any country in Europe, is because America is ahead of Europe in Capitalism.

 

[IBDaMann]

America, totally screwed it's self over by Capitalist multiculturalism.

We screwed ourselves over by electing Democrats.

I decided to give my hard drive a name: "Poland." It gets partitioned an awful lot.

 

[Anvil Kasseri]

The Israeli Jews do not want them to have a state, that's why, no other reason.

That is incorrect. Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians a state based on 1967 borders. All the Palestinians needed to do in return was agree to peace.

 

[Anvil Kasseri]

#whataboutism

Not really. The fact that the Palestinians refuse to make peace is the reason why they they will not have a state based on 1967 borders.

It's inevitable of course that the Palestinians will one day end up with a state. But that state will now be the Gaza Strip alone.

I've heard the same ridiculous arguments defending Israel's crimes so many times, I can probably guess the ones in this video.

No such crimes.

No defense is required for nonexistent crimes (beyond pointing out the fact that the crimes do not exist).

It's not just that they're wrong, it's that they're lying. They offer the Palestinians ridiculously bad terms, the Palestinians reject them, then they pretend there is no reasoning with Arabs.

That is incorrect. Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians decent terms.

But if the Palestinians dislike the terms they are offered, they should stay at the negotiating table and press for better terms. It's possible to make a counteroffer you know.

This is a common defense of Israel's atrocities. It's the "we were here first" rule.

The best defense is to point out the fact that Israel has not committed any atrocities.

 

[Anvil Kasseri]

Why should anybody give up land they've lived on for the past 1,300 + years?

The Palestinians have already lost the land.

If they agree to peace, then they will get some of it back.

If they don't agree to peace, then the eventual Palestinian state will be based on the Gaza Strip alone.

Many different groups have occupied Israel / Palestine over the years.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/40fb454e747d59b448f56f3fe3ef30b2.png

Including Ancient Egyptians, including Ancient Mesopotamians (Like Iraqis) including Arab conquests & also Romans (Italians) and Byzantines (Greeks) as well (Turks)

And now the indigenous Jews have reclaimed their homeland.

Each of these groups actually conquered Israel / Palestine for longer periods than Jews had.

Not when you consider the fact that the Jews are descended from the indigenous Canaanites who originally lived there for many thousands of years.

Maybe we should just get it over with, and give Israel / Palestine to Italian (Romans)

Come. Take.

Well, I shouldn't presume to speak for Israel. My point is that no one has the power to give Israel to anyone.

 

[BattleofHodow]

The Palestinians have already lost the land.

If they agree to peace, then they will get some of it back.

If they don't agree to peace, then the eventual Palestinian state will be based on the Gaza Strip alone.



And now the indigenous Jews have reclaimed their homeland.



Not when you consider the fact that the Jews are descended from the indigenous Canaanites who originally lived there for many thousands of years.



Come. Take.

Well, I shouldn't presume to speak for Israel. My point is that no one has the power to give Israel to anyone.

Hand over the land loot you owe me Palestinian. LOLOL

If people have rights to land from so long ago, English ethnic people wouldn't even exist, anywhere in the World.

 

[Anvil Kasseri]

If people have rights to land from so long ago, English ethnic people wouldn't even exist, anywhere in the World.

The Palestinians had a choice.

They could make peace and have 1967 borders.

They could refuse to make peace and end up with a state that is composed of the Gaza Strip alone.

They chose the latter.

That's about all that needs to be said. The Israeli military is capable of pounding the Palestinians into submission when they get violent, so all is well.

 

[BattleofHodow]

The Palestinians had a choice.

They could make peace and have 1967 borders.

They could refuse to make peace and end up with a state that is composed of the Gaza Strip alone.

They chose the latter.

That's about all that needs to be said. The Israeli military is capable of pounding the Palestinians into submission when they get violent, so all is well.

Hand over the loot you owe me Goy boy, I'm so important, I'm chosen, you all owe me your loot.

It would be nice, if Israel paid Palestinians monetary compensations.

I mean, really nervey, that the Jews seek compensations from most of Europe & the Muslim World for properties they lost, to Nazis, Communists & Islamic regimes.

But, then think they don't owe Palestinians sh(t.

No wonder why so many don't like Jews.