Why was 2nd amendment written?

You are mostly(but not completely) wrong on a couple of points.

The primary arms that governments tried to take away from militias were cannons. Cannons would generally not be stored in individual's houses, and were not for hunting or self defense.

The weapon of individual soldiers was the smoothbore musket, which was completely useless for hunting or self defense. Rifles would be used for hunting, but were excruciatingly slow to reload, and could not accept a bayonet, so were for the most part not used by militias. The smoothbore muskets that could fire many more shots, and could just as importantly accept a bayonet, had no ability to aim, so were only used in groups (militia companies).

All these weapons were commonly held in central locations, especially as more and more government buildings and armories became available. A big problem was that these public buildings were often schools, so through the 1800's it was not uncommon for schools to blow up.

Yes I am aware of the difference between muskets which the British preferred and the fact that most civilians preferred a rifle such as the dutch rifle or Pennsylvania rifle aka the Kentucky rifle due to accuracy and range .

didn't know about keeping arms in schools , I assume that was done because we were a young nation with limited resources to build armory's.

but many militias did use their own rifles , from home especially groups that did not dress in military uniforms that functioned on their own, they did a lot of hit and run ambush attacks .

https://www.durysguns.com/news/weapons-used-in-the-revolutionary-war-the-kentucky-long-rifle
 
Thank you.

I am going to say something else that you might disagree with, but I believe. The Declaration of Independence was written to explain a revolution, and was pro-revolution. The Constitution was written more than a decade later for a country that was already in existence, by the people who controlled that country. They were not looking to excuse any revolutions.

In fact, at the same time the Second Amendment was being ratified, George Washington was assembling an army to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. There was no thought by any of the Framers to defend the Whiskey Rebellion. When Washington's Army confiscated guns from people accused of being in the Whiskey Rebellion, no one brought up the Second Amendment.

Disarming and arresting people who were not complying with the whiskey tax laws can happen today as well. You really have to pay your taxes, or things will get a lot worse than having your guns confiscated and losing your second amendment rights. They can reach into your checking and take what they want now, take your guns, and lock you up.
 
you're only half right.........but then again, we did finally amend that constitution to recognize that people cannot be property. NOTHING in the constitution encouraged anyone to use guns to kill those escaping.

Why on earth are you all so obsessed with your silly bang-bangs then? Something to do now your not allowed to think, I suppose!
 
Why on earth are you all so obsessed with your silly bang-bangs then? Something to do now your not allowed to think, I suppose!

the 2nd intent was pretty clear, considering that the founders had just won independence from their central government that tried to take their arms to force compliance.......But decades of democrat tyranny and obfuscation has watered down the 2nds power and meaning.........and the republicans in power don't seem to really care.............but what do you think it is that we're not allowed to do now?
 
the 2nd intent was pretty clear, considering that the founders had just won independence from their central government that tried to take their arms to force compliance.......But decades of democrat tyranny and obfuscation has watered down the 2nds power and meaning.........and the republicans in power don't seem to really care.............but what do you think it is that we're not allowed to do now?

You mean when the rich slave-owners went in for treason to avoid their taxes? I thought they armed their serfs to drive out the vast numbers of loyalists?
 
You mean when the rich slave-owners went in for treason to avoid their taxes? I thought they armed their serfs to drive out the vast numbers of loyalists?

taxes were part of it..........but the reasons were spelled out pretty well in the declaration of independence........do you need a refresher?
 
I would dearly love to see those original sources................do you have them?

http://www.transpartisanreview.org/bear-arms/

Regarding weapons, both slaves and free blacks were prohibited from owning weapons from an early date in Virginia. For example, in 1640, a Virginia law imposed a total firearms ban, including for self-defense, on all “Negroes, slaves and free . . . .” Similar total bans were enacted in 1640 and 1712 (“An Act for Preventing Negroe Insurrections”). At some point, restrictions on possession of firearms was loosened for free blacks in some areas to permit them to possess a firearm for defense of their home, but only if they were able to obtain a permit from the county sheriff, which was revocable. Free blacks never had the same access to firearms as white men had in Colonial Virginia.(15)
The other means to manage the risks of slave rebellion used in pre-Bill of Rights Virginia, and the other southern slave states, was the militia. Generally, white males between the ages of 18 and 45 were required to serve in the militias. (In Virginia, free blacks could join, but only as drummers or buglers. In South Carolina, free blacks were not permitted to join.). These militias were known as “slave patrols” and made periodic inspections of “all Negro houses for offensive weapons and ammunition.” In the southern colonies “well regulated militias” kept slaves in their place. They were used to prevent and put down slave uprisings. White control of the militias was essential for the maintenance of the slave economies of the southern colonies.


The backdrop of the drafting of the 2nd Amendment by Madison and others is important here;


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In the first draft of what became the Second Amendment, Madison wrote:
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James Madison, author of the Second Amendment.The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed: a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person. (Emphasis added).(22)
But Patrick Henry, George Mason and others wanted clear language preserving the state slave-patrol militias from federal interference. To accommodate them, Madison changed the language to read this way:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. (Emphasis added).(23)
This provision was included as the fourth of twelve articles submitted by Congress to the states for ratification. On December 15, 1791, in the midst of the largest and most violent slave insurrection in history, which was then underway in San Domingue (now Haiti),Virginia voted to ratify all of the proposed articles.Virginia’s vote brought the total number of votes for articles three through twelve to the number required to ratify those articles. As a number of states failed to ratify the first and second Articles the proposed fourth article became the Second Amendment in the final ten which became the Bill of Rights.


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...At the Virginia Ratifying Convention in 1788, Patrick Henry, considered the most persuasive speaker in the Colonies, put his opposition to ratification in these words:
Let me here call your attention to that part [Article 1, Section 8] which gives Congress power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States. . . . By this sir, you see that their control over our last best defence is unlimited.(17)
The 10th section of the 1st article . . . says, that ‘no state shall engage in war, unless actually invaded. . . .’
If the country be invaded, a state may go to war, but cannot suppress [slave] insurrection. If there should happen an insurrection of slaves, the country cannot be said to be invaded. They cannot, therefore, suppress it without the interposition of Congress.(18) (Emphasis






 
http://www.transpartisanreview.org/bear-arms/

Regarding weapons, both slaves and free blacks were prohibited from owning weapons from an early date in Virginia. For example, in 1640, a Virginia law imposed a total firearms ban, including for self-defense, on all “Negroes, slaves and free . . . .” Similar total bans were enacted in 1640 and 1712 (“An Act for Preventing Negroe Insurrections”). At some point, restrictions on possession of firearms was loosened for free blacks in some areas to permit them to possess a firearm for defense of their home, but only if they were able to obtain a permit from the county sheriff, which was revocable. Free blacks never had the same access to firearms as white men had in Colonial Virginia.(15)
The other means to manage the risks of slave rebellion used in pre-Bill of Rights Virginia, and the other southern slave states, was the militia. Generally, white males between the ages of 18 and 45 were required to serve in the militias. (In Virginia, free blacks could join, but only as drummers or buglers. In South Carolina, free blacks were not permitted to join.). These militias were known as “slave patrols” and made periodic inspections of “all Negro houses for offensive weapons and ammunition.” In the southern colonies “well regulated militias” kept slaves in their place. They were used to prevent and put down slave uprisings. White control of the militias was essential for the maintenance of the slave economies of the southern colonies.


The backdrop of the drafting of the 2nd Amendment by Madison and others is important here;


"
In the first draft of what became the Second Amendment, Madison wrote:
madison.png
James Madison, author of the Second Amendment.The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed: a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person. (Emphasis added).(22)
But Patrick Henry, George Mason and others wanted clear language preserving the state slave-patrol militias from federal interference. To accommodate them, Madison changed the language to read this way:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. (Emphasis added).(23)
This provision was included as the fourth of twelve articles submitted by Congress to the states for ratification. On December 15, 1791, in the midst of the largest and most violent slave insurrection in history, which was then underway in San Domingue (now Haiti),Virginia voted to ratify all of the proposed articles.Virginia’s vote brought the total number of votes for articles three through twelve to the number required to ratify those articles. As a number of states failed to ratify the first and second Articles the proposed fourth article became the Second Amendment in the final ten which became the Bill of Rights.


...
...At the Virginia Ratifying Convention in 1788, Patrick Henry, considered the most persuasive speaker in the Colonies, put his opposition to ratification in these words:
Let me here call your attention to that part [Article 1, Section 8] which gives Congress power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States. . . . By this sir, you see that their control over our last best defence is unlimited.(17)
The 10th section of the 1st article . . . says, that ‘no state shall engage in war, unless actually invaded. . . .’
If the country be invaded, a state may go to war, but cannot suppress [slave] insurrection. If there should happen an insurrection of slaves, the country cannot be said to be invaded. They cannot, therefore, suppress it without the interposition of Congress.(18) (Emphasis







what out of context crap.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America — Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.

There are other things so clearly out of the power of Congress, that the bare recital of them is sufficient, I mean the "...rights of bearing arms for defence, or for killing game..." These things seem to have been inserted among their objections, merely to induce the ignorant to believe that Congress would have a power over such objects and to infer from their being refused a place in the Constitution, their intention to exercise that power to the oppression of the people. —ALEXANDER WHITE (1787)

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. — Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy p. 20, S. Padover ed., 1939


The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right. [Nunn vs. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846)]


A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the federal constitution... The power to impose a license tax on the exercise of these freedoms is indeed as potent as the power of censorship which this Court has repeatedly struck down... a person cannot be compelled 'to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.' —MURDOCK V. PENNSYLVANIA 319 US 105 (1942)


The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]

The congress of the United States possesses no power to regulate, or interfere with the domestic concerns, or police of any state: it belongs not to them to establish any rules respecting the rights of property; nor will the constitution permit any prohibition of arms to the people; or of peaceable assemblies by them, for any purposes whatsoever, and in any number, whenever they may see occasion. —ST. GEORGE TUCKER'S BLACKSTONE

The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny, which though now appears remote in America, history has proven to be always possible. — Senator Hubert H. Humphrey


If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government. — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28)

The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;... — Thomas Jefferson to Justice John Cartwright, 1824. ME 16:45.

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms... — Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87

Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins ... Society is in every state a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. — THOMAS PAINE

The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them. — Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646

I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them. — George Mason, during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788)

There are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by the gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpation. — James Madison

The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both. — William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)

Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people. — Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

Our safety, our liberty depends on preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate. The people of the U.S. are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts - Not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution. — Abraham Lincoln

The provision in the Constitution granting the right to all persons to bear arms is a limitation upon the power of the Legislature to enact any law to the contrary. The exercise of a right guaranteed by the Constitution cannot be made subject to the will of the sheriff. [People vs. Zerillo, 219 Mich. 635, 189 N.W. 927, at 928 (1922)]

“The Constitution shall never be construed… to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…”- Richard Henry Lee

“The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.” – Noah Webster

“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”- Zachariah Johnson
 
Ths is what happens when a blithering fucking idiot does a copy-pasta without bothering to read what he's copying...

what out of context crap.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America — Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.

The Gazette? I give you Patrick Henry, George Mason and James Madison, and you give me the FUCKING GAZETTE?

There are other things so clearly out of the power of Congress, that the bare recital of them is sufficient, I mean the "...rights of bearing arms for defence, or for killing game..." These things seem to have been inserted among their objections, merely to induce the ignorant to believe that Congress would have a power over such objects and to infer from their being refused a place in the Constitution, their intention to exercise that power to the oppression of the people. —ALEXANDER WHITE (1787)

Not a founder or politician, or author of the Constitution, and he also says nothing that contradicts by sources regarding slavery.

https://truthout.org/articles/the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery/

In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. — Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy p. 20, S. Padover ed., 1939

You're quoting a man who had absolutely nothing to do with the authorship of the 2nd amendment, or the constitution in general. He was in France, raping his slave.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right. [Nunn vs. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846)]

The right of the "whole people" except slaves, or free blacks. See Dredd Scott (I should hope I don't need to quote this landmark decision to you).

A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the federal constitution... The power to impose a license tax on the exercise of these freedoms is indeed as potent as the power of censorship which this Court has repeatedly struck down... a person cannot be compelled 'to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.' —MURDOCK V. PENNSYLVANIA 319 US 105 (1942)

This is a FIRST Amendment case, you mouthbreathing idiot.

The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]

Why do you keep quoting this shit that comes 4 generations following the founding of the country doesn't even bother to address my original claim, i.e., that slaveholders supported the 2nd Amendment -- and state laws codified it -- to quell slave rebellions?

The congress of the United States possesses no power to regulate, or interfere with the domestic concerns, or police of any state: it belongs not to them to establish any rules respecting the rights of property; nor will the constitution permit any prohibition of arms to the people; or of peaceable assemblies by them, for any purposes whatsoever, and in any number, whenever they may see occasion. —ST. GEORGE TUCKER'S BLACKSTONE

Indeed, the 2nd Amendment put the words "free state" in its text specifically because the South wished to ensure they had the right to establish slave militias. Thank you for buttressing my point. (Emphasis added)

The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny, which though now appears remote in America, history has proven to be always possible. — Senator Hubert H. Humphrey

Hubert Humphrey was born some 150 years after the constitution was written and he had not input on its origin. Don't know why you bothered to include this.

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government. — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28)

Federalist 28 is about the proportion of force used to repress small or large rebellions within a state, not the 2nd amendment, you fucking dullard.


The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;... — Thomas Jefferson to Justice John Cartwright, 1824. ME 16:45.

You chopped up that quote and in doing so rendered its meaning different. Learn what semi-colons mean, dipshit:

the constitutions of most of our states assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, both fact and law, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms... — Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87

Nothing here disputes that the 2nd Amendment was rewritten to allow STATE slave patrols.

Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins ... Society is in every state a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. — THOMAS PAINE

This has nothing whatsoever to do with guns, stupid.

The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them. — Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646

Zachariah Johnson, Virginia slaveholder. Are you TRYING to make my point for me?

I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them. — George Mason, during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788)
Another Virginia slaveholder misidentifying the REAL slavery in America.

There are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by the gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpation. — James Madison

The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both. — William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)

Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people. — Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

Our safety, our liberty depends on preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate. The people of the U.S. are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts - Not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution. — Abraham Lincoln

The provision in the Constitution granting the right to all persons to bear arms is a limitation upon the power of the Legislature to enact any law to the contrary. The exercise of a right guaranteed by the Constitution cannot be made subject to the will of the sheriff. [People vs. Zerillo, 219 Mich. 635, 189 N.W. 927, at 928 (1922)]

“The Constitution shall never be construed… to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…”- Richard Henry Lee

“The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.” – Noah Webster

“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”- Zachariah Johnson

The rest of this shit is just more NRA doublespeak that has literally nothing to do with the point i was making. You're a total fucking idiot, and pretend intellectual.

Next time trying sharing and analyzing and distilling ideas of your own, rather than vomiting a bunch of misquotes all over the page in hopes of something sticking.
 
my idiot rebuttal to facts

this is how you look like a moron......see, you have this idea, probably implanted by anti american sources, and you run with it.........then you have to try and deny sources because you've been told that copy and paste is illegitimate or not a real source, even though the quotes are quite accurate and real.......or you feel it necessary to follow anti NRA talking points........but the reality is that all of my quotes I provided are either a direct founders quote OR a historical court opinion just a few years after ratification............that ratification being everything that was presented to the people who voted on it..............

so you can continue to swallow that anti gun koolaid or you can accept the actual history of our country......your call to be woke or stupid
 
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