Why We Always Need To Think Of The Collective...

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It's pretty basic logic:

a) We are humans.

b) Humans exist in societies. Societies serve the needs of the individuals.

c) If a majority of humans become sociopaths; then society will fail.

SO:

d) Individualism must be balanced with consideration for society. Most individuals must do something for society or society will fail.

And,

e) Since some are far more able to contribute, if they do contribute more, then society can do much more to enhance it's service to individuals.

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This is all a logical progression of facts and conclusions on the assumption that we want society to improve and continue to thrive.

And that is why we always have to think of the collective. It's the kind of guidance which, if followed by most members of society, leads to the quality of life continuing to improve in that society. Promoting the GENERAL welfare ensures domestic peace and tranquility, so that society will endure. Our Constitution wisely says so.

Socialism is all about what is good for the society. Capitalism, while providing a lot for society, is also about what a shrewd and determined individual can do for himself. And that's wonderful in good measure. Just not always. It is only logical that these two pursuits must be balanced with one another.

What is the correct balance between selfish concerns and social concerns? Like it or not, humans are becoming more interconnected and interdependent as time progresses. It is only natural and predictable that some will resist recognizing the collective in their own way. But emotional resistance is not logical. It's emotional.

Logic says we need to consider the impact on society of what we do. The more people there are on this planet, the more that matters.

There is nothing in our Constitution that says we will be a capitalist nation. Or a socialist one. Because the truth is: we don't have to choose. We can have both. We can take the best qualities of each, and minimize the downside of each. Mixing socialism with capitalism allows us to achieve the best balance between thinking of society and thinking of the individual.

But as much as we allow ourselves to think of the individual, we must always give proper consideration for the collective.
 
Sounds like the opening speech of the CPUSA convention.

Sounds more like a collection of ants, who are expected to NOT have any individuality, and is right along the communist idea of having those who can work harder, do so for those who can't; but everyone gets the same result.
 
the natural human state is to CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE ARROUND YOU




The UNNATURAL STATE OF HUMANS IS TO SHUN YOUR FELLOW MAN AND HIS SUFFERING.


the sociopaths who manage to gain power over others want to disrupt that balance to gain more power and wealth


the low brain powered of human population can be convinced to hate others for illogical reasons in their own self disinterest


you can fool some of the people all the time


you can fool most of the people some of the time


BUT

you can not fool all of the people all of the time


sociopaths can never win in the end


they don't understand humankind in full

their brains have faulty wiring

they can not understand compassion

its beyond their capabilities


they are broken


so they always fail


reach out in love of your fellow man


Its destroys the plans of evil
 
Sounds more like a collection of ants, who are expected to NOT have any individuality, and is right along the communist idea of having those who can work harder, do so for those who can't; but everyone gets the same result.

remember folks all russo bot holes are not humans


hense they say sociopathic things just like real human sociopaths


does it matter here whether they are actually humans ?


not really


they are evil like this one
 
The hatred of government is hard for me to understand. That is the biggest thing society does as a group - is agree to be governed by this entity. We created our government ourselves. We could have created any kind of government we wanted. We wrote our own Constitution and we have lived by it ever since. It is our Constitution that describes what kind of government we have.

So I don't understand the hatred of government. Makes no sense. Our government is what We, The People, did for ourselves.

We've actually got a pretty good government. Government is managing the country, and it's a pretty great country in a lot of ways. We just couldn't have the country we do without our government. Government also happens to be the largest employer, so we have a lot of people working towards making this a great country. That's nothing to hate. That is a good thing.

Is it perfect? Ha! Of course not. Far from perfect. The government, as with most things, is far from perfect and wide open to constructive criticism. That's reasonable.

But to just proclaim that all government is bad so we want as little of it as possible? That's just absurd. Most of what government does benefits somebody in some way.

Fair criticism is one thing. Hatred is another. One is reasonable and logical. The other is just emotional.
 
Hello Howard the Duck,



Is there some part of the OP logic you dispute?

Or is this just another emotional objection.

Is their some part of the OP that is logical? You don't like individualism and capitalism, but lack actual data to suggest that the standard tenets of totalitarianism (collectivism and socialism) are better. So, you ignore the human experience and deny that your rhetorical screed is a logical argument.
 
Is their some part of the OP that is logical? You don't like individualism and capitalism, but lack actual data to suggest that the standard tenets of totalitarianism (collectivism and socialism) are better. So, you ignore the human experience and deny that your rhetorical screed is a logical argument.

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The hatred of government is hard for me to understand. That is the biggest thing society does as a group - is agree to be governed by this entity. We created our government ourselves. We could have created any kind of government we wanted. We wrote our own Constitution and we have lived by it ever since. It is our Constitution that describes what kind of government we have.

So I don't understand the hatred of government. Makes no sense. Our government is what We, The People, did for ourselves.

We've actually got a pretty good government. Government is managing the country, and it's a pretty great country in a lot of ways. We just couldn't have the country we do without our government. Government also happens to be the largest employer, so we have a lot of people working towards making this a great country. That's nothing to hate. That is a good thing.

Is it perfect? Ha! Of course not. Far from perfect. The government, as with most things, is far from perfect and wide open to constructive criticism. That's reasonable.

But to just proclaim that all government is bad so we want as little of it as possible? That's just absurd. Most of what government does benefits somebody in some way.

Fair criticism is one thing. Hatred is another. One is reasonable and logical. The other is just emotional.

You would have been popular during the revolution.
 
Hello Howard the Duck,

Is their some part of the OP that is logical?

It's all logical to me. I wrote it. If you think none of it is logical then what are we if not human? The OP begins with something I would hope that everyone could agree on. 'We are human.' But please tell me what you think we are if not human? Thank you. And since that is correct, then there is at least some part of the OP which is logical.

You don't like individualism and capitalism,

I say no such thing. I am very glad for both. You're making things up, not quoting the OP.

but lack actual data to suggest that the standard tenets of totalitarianism (collectivism and socialism) are better.

I do not advocate for totalitarianism. If it's not in the OP, please stop trying to hold me to it.

So, you ignore the human experience and deny that your rhetorical screed is a logical argument.

Actually I maintain that the OP is indeed a logical argument. You are the one denying it. But you haven't actually shown how any of the OP is incorrect. All you've done so far is read some things into it which simply are not there. I'm still waiting for you to quote something from the OP and explain why you feel it is incorrect.
 
Hello Celticguy,

You go off track at "b".

"b) Humans exist in societies. Societies serve the needs of the individuals."

Which part of that do you disagree with?

That humans live in societies?

Or that societies serve the needs of the individuals.

Well it would be hard to deny that we live in societies because we do; and it is certainly those societies which serve the needs of the individuals. Most humans would not survive long if deprived of their society. Nobody to offer a job, nobody to sell food, nobody to do anything for that lone individual human without a society. Some very resourceful humans might make it on their own. But most would not survive long. So it is correct to say that humans live in societies and those societies serve the needs of individual humans.
 
Hello StoneByStone,

As soon as I read the title, I knew the edgelord right-wing talking points were coming out.

Well I don't mind having a conversation about it. There are a lot of misconceptions out there. A lot of those right wing talking points are myths. They can't back them up. I have yet to see anybody offer any reason that anything in the OP is in error. I base my position on logic. It's pretty straightforward.

I'm listening, in case anybody has a logical consideration I got wrong or overlooked?

Anybody?
 
Hello Howard the Duck,



It's all logical to me. I wrote it. If you think none of it is logical then what are we if not human? The OP begins with something I would hope that everyone could agree on. 'We are human.' But please tell me what you think we are if not human? Thank you. And since that is correct, then there is at least some part of the OP which is logical.



I say no such thing. I am very glad for both. You're making things up, not quoting the OP.



I do not advocate for totalitarianism. If it's not in the OP, please stop trying to hold me to it.



Actually I maintain that the OP is indeed a logical argument. You are the one denying it. But you haven't actually shown how any of the OP is incorrect. All you've done so far is read some things into it which simply are not there. I'm still waiting for you to quote something from the OP and explain why you feel it is incorrect.

I can never tell if leftists are serious when they advocate twisting the last best hope for mankind into the sort of thing it has defended mankind against for the past century.
 
I can never tell if leftists are serious when they advocate twisting the last best hope for mankind into the sort of thing it has defended mankind against for the past century.

Why can't these Leftists just accept that society is better when it's everybody for themselves and nobody is working together for the common good?
 
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