Wii Marijuana be de-criminalized at the Federal level?

T. A. Gardner said:
Why are we legalizing marijuana when we are trying to make tobacco illegal?
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I'm against making anything illegal that involves consent.

No problem with banning smoking, fucking or beating up people in restaurants. Major problem with banning it from inside a person's home or open public area.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Testing stays for up to 30 hours, the adverse effects last about the same for alcohol.

There's also the difference between drinking one beer an hour vs. 10 Tequila Hookers in 10 minutes. The same rule applies to what drug is taken. In the case of pot, potency.

Regardless, standards can be set. As a Libertarian, I'm against assholes who ban things. Better, IMO, to simply hold people accountable for their actions. Want to drive drunk, high or on acid down I-5? Pay the consequences if caught. Want to shoot up heroin in your own home? Don't call me if you OD.
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Tell that to somebody that just lost their loved ones in a commercial plane crash or getting hit by a commercial semi-tractor and the driver / pilot tests positive for marijuana but claims they hadn't used in a a week... And, yes current testing methods detect THC in the blood stream up to 30 days after use.
 
Jack said:
No problem. 'Marijuana Companies' (mostly Canadian, where it is legal) are listed on the Stock Exchange for Investors to buy. Americans are already convinced 'Marijuana' is a growth industry and are putting their Capital where their mouth is.

"MJ®, The World’s Largest Cannabis ETF, Reports 1,000th Creation Unit"
https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...est-Cannabis-ETF-Reports-1000th-Creation-Unit

"Topics being debated during the presidential election, such as the legalization of cannabis in several states, have led to increased investor demand evidenced by the increased daily trading volume. Shortly after the Vice-Presidential debate, MJ® saw trading volume increase three times1 its normal activity, 750,000 to nearly 2.4 million. MJ® currently has 50 million shares outstanding. Since the beginning of Q4 2020, the Fund is up 10.66%."
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I fully support the investment opportunities with legalized pot/hemp.

It's a proven industry and, like liquor during prohibition, is simply waiting for oppressive idiots to stop fighting legalization.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Tell that to somebody that just lost their loved ones in a commercial plane crash or getting hit by a commercial semi-tractor and the driver / pilot tests positive for marijuana but claims they hadn't used in a a week... And, yes current testing methods detect THC in the blood stream up to 30 days after use.
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Is that the same as a drunk pilot killing your loved ones? How often does that happen, Chief?

What does preventing pilots from smoking within 30 days of flying have to do with banning pot for surfer dudes on California beaches?

Do you realize it's a Nanny State ideology to ban pot? Are you a Nanny Stater, Chief? A closet Lib?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Is that the same as a drunk pilot killing your loved ones? How often does that happen, Chief?

What does preventing pilots from smoking within 30 days of flying have to do with banning pot for surfer dudes on California beaches?

Do you realize it's a Nanny State ideology to ban pot? Are you a Nanny Stater, Chief? A closet Lib?
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A pilot that drinks on Friday and flies on Monday won't test for alcohol. A pilot who smokes weed on Friday and flies on Monday will test positive for THC. It may be a very low level, but it will be positive. That will cause serious legal problems.
The problem in making it legal is how do keep someone like a pilot or truck driver from creating liability when it stays in your system that long? If it didn't, and stayed for like say 24 hours at most, I wouldn't have any issue with it. But it doesn't. It stays for up to 30 days. That is going to be a legal problem big time.

You are a manufacturer. You have an employee that gets injured on the job and is given a drug test. It comes back positive for THC. Are you going to willingly pay his workman's comp bill, possibly have to foot a disability payment for the rest of this guy's life when there is a possibility he was on drugs? It won't matter that the worker claims he used over a week ago and wasn't high. That positive will be argued as proof he was.
This is going to be a huge liability problem.

This is like the .08 or .10 BAC standard. Those are considered prima face evidence of impairment, regardless of whether you were or not. Proving you weren't is going to be difficult. Same thing here. THC in the blood will be considered evidence of impairment and that's all it takes to deny your claim or make you at fault. What company would want that risk?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
A pilot that drinks on Friday and flies on Monday won't test for alcohol. A pilot who smokes weed on Friday and flies on Monday will test positive for THC. It may be a very low level, but it will be positive. That will cause serious legal problems.
The problem in making it legal is how do keep someone like a pilot or truck driver from creating liability when it stays in your system that long? If it didn't, and stayed for like say 24 hours at most, I wouldn't have any issue with it. But it doesn't. It stays for up to 30 days. That is going to be a legal problem big time.

You are a manufacturer. You have an employee that gets injured on the job and is given a drug test. It comes back positive for THC. Are you going to willingly pay his workman's comp bill, possibly have to foot a disability payment for the rest of this guy's life when there is a possibility he was on drugs? It won't matter that the worker claims he used over a week ago and wasn't high. That positive will be argued as proof he was.
This is going to be a huge liability problem.
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Again, so what? What does testing positive have to do with it? Isn't the point to ensure the pilot is safe to fly?

Legal problems are a matter of law, duh. Alcohol used to be illegal, now it isn't. Not rocket science, Chief.

If even an asshole dirty ol' helicopter pilot can figure it out, certainly anyone who earned the rank of Chief in the United States Navy can do it.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I fully support the investment opportunities with legalized pot/hemp.

It's a proven industry and, like liquor during prohibition, is simply waiting for oppressive idiots to stop fighting legalization.
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"5 states are set to vote on marijuana legalization."
https://www.businessinsider.com/mar...-new-jersey-arizona-monthana-election-2020-10

"Top Wall Street analysts say these are the 7 cannabis stocks to bet on now that will benefit investors if Biden defeats Trump in November"
 
Jack said:
Dude. Now that the Hippies of the 60s have reached 'Senior Citizen' status, all they want is Medicare to pay for their Viagra and Marijuana prescriptions. (Is that too much to ask for with everything they have endured?)
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Yes.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Again, so what? What does testing positive have to do with it? Isn't the point to ensure the pilot is safe to fly?

Legal problems are a matter of law, duh. Alcohol used to be illegal, now it isn't. Not rocket science, Chief.

If even an asshole dirty ol' helicopter pilot can figure it out, certainly anyone who earned the rank of Chief in the United States Navy can do it.
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The problem is you're claiming you've figured something out then using yourself as a source to back it up. The BISSO argument isn't valid.
 
Jack said:
I'm sorry. I didn't bring my Decoder Ring today. Could you try again in English.
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it means for you to stop jacking around with taxing everything or raising taxes on everything and just go balls deep and take everything that people have and make so you can implement your communist utopia. did you forget your karl marx?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. It's our nature. Anyone who has read the Declaration of Independence understands your point:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

The entire purpose of government is bolded in that sentence. When government fails to fulfill that purpose, then it's a problem.

The Democrats seek to impose laws that are "best for all"...even if all don't like it. The Republicans used to focus upon a strong economy and national defense. What happened on your street was your problem.

The Democrats have become increasingly authoritarian about imposing their views on others but now, after 2000, the Republicans have joined them. This is bad and cannot stand. It's a house of cards that will collapse upon itself. The sooner the better.
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Hello Jack,

Jack said:
"H.R.3884 - Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment and Expungement Act of 2019"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/3884
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There are a lot of reasons this is a very good idea.

1. It costs taxpayer money and runs up government debt to enforce anti-cannabis laws.

2. Government can benefit from taxing.

3. It eliminates the black market and takes big profits away from gangs.

4. Pursuit of happiness. Improves quality of life, especially for children of wrongly incarcerated parents - the future of America.

5. Makes America more free.

6. Documented medicinal value.

7. Investment opportunities.

8. Frees police up to focus on violent crime.

9. Creates jobs and opportunity.

10. Economic benefit. More people working, fewer languishing in prison.
 
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SmarterthanYou said:
it means for you to stop jacking around with taxing everything or raising taxes on everything and just go balls deep and take everything that people have and make so you can implement your communist utopia. did you forget your karl marx?
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You seem a little sensitive about 'taxes'.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Jack,



There are a lot of reasons this is a very good idea.

1. It costs taxpayer money and runs up government debt to enforce anti-cannabis laws.

2. Government can benefit from taxing.

3. It eliminates the black market and takes big profits away from gangs.

4. Pursuit of happiness. Improves quality of life, especially for children of wrongly incarcerated children - the future of America.

5. Makes America more free.

6. Documented medicinal value.

7. Investment opportunities.

8. Frees police up to focus on violent crime.

9. Creates jobs and opportunity.

10. Economic benefit. More people working, fewer languishing in prison.
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And bad ones:

Marijuana is

More cancerous when smoked than tobacco
Long term regular use can cause development of bi-polar mental illness.
The medicinal value is grossly overrated.
Will cause issues similar to alcohol when impaired by it.
Same smoking issues as Tobacco in terms of social use in public
Regular use and use at an early age can impair learning and cognitive abilities for the long term including lower IQ
Increases depression and can be dangerous for those with depression
It can be addictive.
It represents a serious risk during pregnancy

Unlike items 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10 which are possibilities but not proven ones, the detrimental side is directly linked to marijuana use.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

T. A. Gardner said:
And bad ones:

Marijuana is

More cancerous when smoked than tobacco
Long term regular use can cause development of bi-polar mental illness.
The medicinal value is grossly overrated.
Will cause issues similar to alcohol when impaired by it.
Same smoking issues as Tobacco in terms of social use in public
Regular use and use at an early age can impair learning and cognitive abilities for the long term including lower IQ
Increases depression and can be dangerous for those with depression
It can be addictive.
It represents a serious risk during pregnancy

Unlike items 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10 which are possibilities but not proven ones, the detrimental side is directly linked to marijuana use.
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Users smoke far less cannabis than tobacco because tobacco doesn't get anybody high. There is no cancerous effect linked to edibles.
The bi-polar thing is unsupported theory.
The medicinal value is real and widely recognized.
Alcohol is legal and left up to the discretion of the user, just as cannabis should be.
Tobacco does have secondhand smoke issues for public use but that is an insufficient argument for making cannabis illegal.
IQ - I agree it's not for children, but disagree about long term use.
Depression - if any such effect occurs, it is no greater than alcohol, and would only occur if there is abuse. Responsible use, just like alcohol, does not result in depression.
Cannabis is not addictive. Something either is or is not addictive. Cannabis is not.
Pregnancy concerns are an insufficient argument for making it illegal. Pregnant women are wise to monitor not only substance use but even what they eat. That should be their responsibility, not nanny state.
 
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