christiefan915
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Everything is NOT included in tuition. Insurance is something students either get by staying on the parents' plan or by getting it from the school at an extra charge. They pay for it, not the school.
Everything is NOT included in tuition. Insurance is something students either get by staying on the parents' plan or by getting it from the school at an extra charge. They pay for it, not the school.
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so viagra has nothing to do with sex? wow. you should study up on viagra.
they are not denied the medication they might need. that is untrue. try reading what the issue is about and what i already said with a more careful eye. fluke even admitted her "friend" is NOT DENIED access to birth control.
if you don't know what benefits a company offers before you take a job, then you are fucking idiot.
christiefan915
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Once more. The school doesn't pay anything toward the insurance. The student pays the total cost. Therefore, the contract is between the insurance company and the student. The medical part is between the student and the physician. The three parties involved in the transaction are the student, the physician and the insurance company. Making this a religious issue is just a red herring.
Perhaps you really are more stupid than the average pinhead asswipe.....I'm sure even the Howdy Dude saw this line in post 98
In my opinion, exercising my right under the First Amendment, Fluke is dirty, unitdy woman......i.e....a slut
Is there some words in the sentence you don't understand?
Is the sentence a little to long for you?
Did mentioning the First Amendment throw you off or something ?
The point is the students are buying the plan offered by the school....and it covers what it covers.....if you don't like it, I'm sure they can buy private insurance from any number of insurance suppliers.....I don't see how the school can change your right as a citizen......
Now if they require that you buy their insurance, and only their insurance, that is a different issue.....
If their campus medical facility doesn't accept private insurance, that could be a legitimate issue.....but I wouldn't expect to get an abortion there, covered or not.
But you can't expect to dictate to them what THEIR student plan must or must not offer.....
From Ms. Fluke:
Georgetown LSRJ is here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the nonpartisan, medical advice of the Institute of Medicine. I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraception coverage in its student health plan.
Don't like it, don't buy it.
christiefan915
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You are barking mad. I said nothing at all about viagra... zero, zilch, nada. It has nothing to do with contraception, which is the issue. It's hilarious the way righties keep saying "go to a clinic, Planned parenthood, etc." yet it's righties who want to defund those clinics. I don't know what "friend" you're talking about, apparently one who wasn't mentioned in Fluke's testimony because this is what she said:
“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her."
Fluke participated on the panel to argue against the Blunt amendment under which there would be no exception for medical needs. I guess you missed that part, too.
However, your response was so typical, the immediate default to name-calling, while whining incessantly that "the left doesn't debate." Does your company pay for contraception and did you ask about it beforehand? Somehow, I doubt it.
christiefan915
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No, the point is that everybody who uses contraception isn't practicing birth control. Some are having medical conditions treated, but the school doesn't care.
From Ms. Fluke:
“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.
Discrimination, pure and simple.
And all of that has nothing to do with Georgetown......that women needs a lawyer to sue that insurance company.......the drugs were medicine for a medical problem....and have nothing to do with birth control or contraception....
Fluke's argument against the Blunt Amendment, if thats what it says, is right on and I certainly agree with her....
Birth control and contraceptives are not medicine if used for that purpose and no other....unless the drugs are actually treating a medical problem the school has every right not to cover them in an insurance plan.....maybe that is the way Fluke should be presenting her argument but she'll still have to buy her own IUD's, sponges, rubbers, etc.
The point is this women specifically, very specifically wants contraception covered and makes no distinction between medical conditions and birth control.....
She lumps everything one ball of wax and that ain't gonna fly.......and no one in forcing "the schools student plan" on them that I'm aware of.....you buy what suits your needs.....
If the women mentioned above was denied medical treatment, she needs a lawyer.....she might have gotten some other form treatment for her medical condition....
After a little reading, I think Fluke was spining like a top about the whole thing.....
NEWER METHODS OF TREATMENT for Polycystic ovarian syndrome...
Traditional treatments have been difficult, expensive and have limited success when used alone. Infertility treatments include weight loss diets, ovulation medications (clomiphene,letrozole, Follistim, Gonal-F), ovarian drilling surgery and IVF. Other symptoms have been managed by anti-androgen medication (birth control pills, spironolactone, flutamide or finasteride).
Ovarian drilling can be performed at the time of laparoscopy. A laser fibre or electrosurgical needle is used to puncture the ovary 10-12 times. This treatment results in a dramatic lowering of male hormones within days. Studies have shown that up to 80% will benefit from such treatment. Many who failed to ovulate with letrozole or metformin therapy will respond when rechallenged with these medications after ovarian drilling. Interestingly, women in these studies who are smokers, rarely responded to the drilling procedure. Side effects are rare, but may result in adhesion formation or ovarian failure if the procedure is performed by an inexperienced surgeon.
For women in the reproductive age range, polycystic ovary syndrome is a serious, common cause of infertility, because of the endocrine abnormalities which accompany elevated insulin levels. There is increasing evidence that this endocrine abnormality can be reversed by treatment with widely available standard medications which are leading medicines used in this country for the treatment of adult onset diabetes, metformin (Glucophage 500 or 850 mg three times per day or 1000mg twice daily with meals), pioglitazone (Actos 15-30 mg once a day), rosiglitazone (Avandia 4-8 mg once daily) or a combination of these medications. These medications have been shown to reverse the endocrine abnormalities seen with polycystic ovary syndrome within two or three months. They can result in decreased hair loss, diminished facial and body hair growth, normalization of elevated blood pressure, regulation or menses, weight loss, reduction in cardiovascular risk factors, normal fertility, and a reduced risk of miscarriage. We have seen pregnancies result in less than two months in woman who conceived in their very first ovulatory menstrual cycle. By six months over 90% of women treated with insulin-lowering agents, diet and exercise will resume regular menses.
The medical literature suggests that the endocrinopathy in most patients with polycystic ovary syndrome can be resolved with insulin lowering therapy. This is clinically very important because the therapy reduces hirsutism, obesity, blood pressure, triglyceride levels, elevated blood clotting factors and facilitates reestablishment of the normal pituitary ovarian cycle, thus often allowing resumption of normal ovulatory cycles and pregnancy. We know the polycystic ovary syndrome is associated with increased risk of heart attack and stroke because of the associated heart attack and stroke risk factors, hypertension, obesity, hyperandrogenism, hypertriglyceridemia, and these are to a large degree resolved by therapy with these medications.
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Guns Guns Guns
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LOL, "Is there some words"?
So now Blabo pretends there was no sexual connotation to the slur he directed at Ms. Fluke?
Then what's the relevance of this post?
And if Blabo really thought calling Ms. Fluke a slut means she's "untidy", why the references to IUDS and condoms?
Just a guess......she must wear out 3 IUD's a year or use 1000 condoms a year to spent so much.....
Just drawing a conclusion from her own admitted issues with money to cover her pregnancy worries.....Tight money normally means you conserve or be thrifty......for example, $1000 for condoms a year is a lot of money.....but inflation is running high these days....
Do women have "pregnancy worries" because they're "untidy"?
Blabo also claimed the "dictionary" proved Ms. Fluke is a slut when Onceler asked him this:
Blabo pwned again.
Poor Blabo.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Blabo's the board ayatollah. He couldn't be more plain in his thinking that women are second-class citizens who need to be kept under lock and key because of their uncontrollable sexuality.
It will be interesting to see how they could get around the political speech first amendment thing. The SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled that in the course of political battles free speech often covers things that would not otherwise count. Attack ads would almost be impossible under truth in advertising laws if such weren't the case.
That's such an interesting take on what actually happened.
I agree this is what happened. Like I said, I dont like this type of campaigning.... but it works and it was perfected and used heavily by Rove.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Rush didn't do anything differently than he has done for the past 20 years. The difference is, the Liberal Left decided they needed to make this election about social conservatism to have any chance at winning. I warned you about this months ago, I told you it was going to happen, and you all blew me off like I didn't know what I was talking about. You secular libertarian types are going to be bombarded by the social conservative issues, because the left knows that is a weak spot. They know it turns you off as voters, so if they can wrangle someone into a debate on a social conservative issue, it serves to win them votes. People who are social conservative, aren't like that because they want to piss of seculars, or don't believe they need their votes to win. They have a devoutly principled position that isn't going to change because it is tied to their spiritual convictions. What you have to do is realize and understand, it's not their fault these issues keep arising, they are being introduced by the left in order to sway your vote, and it will probably work to some degree, because the secular's hate for religion is stronger than their hate for socialists.
I didn't blow you off, dude. Your memory is broken.
I told you that social conservatism needs to take a back seat as luxuries and you, and Rush for that matter, think that the republicans should run on them "like Reagan"...
Which is silly, Reagan ran on fiscal conservatism and economic recovery not on abortion, that stuff took a back seat to the economy which was the most important issue of that day.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I believe there is no reason for social conservatism to take a back seat. What needs to happen is, you 'intellectualist' conservative seculars need to get enough smarts about you to understand what is happening. You'd think you SMART people would be able to tell when you're being duped, but apparently not, huh? Romney, Santorum, Gingrich and Paul, are NOT TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE ISSUES ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL! To the letter, they are talking about Obama's dismal failures as president, unemployment, the debt, the deficits, trade policy, foreign policy... the list goes on an on... and doesn't include a thing about social conservatism. The GOP candidates didn't send Fluke before Congress, and didn't comment on Flukes testimony! The huff that was raised over Rush's comments were not instigated by the right or any of the GOP candidates! This entire gem is the work of the liberal left, and their very clever strategy to introduce social conservatism every chance they can, and they will continue to do this. In the end, they hope you will be lecturing me about how us social cons need to keep our mouth shut next time, while they do the Obama Victory Dance!