Will the new House cut the anchor cable?

Funny.

Or are you actually serious?

Do you have any idea how much manpower it would take to patrol the entire US/Mexico border? And look for tunnels and shit on top of it all? If it was as simple as arresting people as they tried to cross illegally at established border crossings we would not be having this discussion. Weird as hell how they, for some inexplicable reason, choose NOT to cross at established border crossings.

Grow a brain.

It's fascinating how you can continually miss the point. Let's give it one more shot.

They don't try to run across established border crossings because they know they'd be shot. If they knew they'd be shot swimming across the river or climbing a fence they might think a bit before doing that.

Is that clear or do you require further explanation?
 
It's fascinating how you can continually miss the point. Let's give it one more shot.

They don't try to run across established border crossings because they know they'd be shot. If they knew they'd be shot swimming across the river or climbing a fence they might think a bit before doing that.

Is that clear or do you require further explanation?
You are the one who is dense. The U.S./Mexican border is almost 2000 miles long. We do not have the manpower to watch every linear foot of the border. They know that. They use that for their benefit.

The ones making big bucks charging to help people across are not stupid - they know how to watch for patrols and avoid them. Hell, I'd bet the majority who are helping people cross the border are from the U.S. (assholes) They know the land and, judging by their obvious success rates, know how to use lines of intervisibility, natural (and probably some man made) concealment, etc. That means having some dude watch 50 miles of border through binoculars does not work. We have to PATROL the border, back and forth. And while our border patrol is going forth, they're sneaking in behind. And then there are the tunnels. Do you think those tunnels were dug by people coming in?

We have our patrols out. Their numbers are woefully short of what it takes to do the job even half assed. They were augmented by some military for a while, but Obama has withdrawn those troops. There weren't enough to make a significant difference anyway. To do the job so as to completely shut down the border, we'd need between 16,000 and 20,000 men on the border 24/7. Figuring 40 hr weeks, that's over 85,000 men just for patrols, and not including supervisory staff, support staff, etc. And the logistics of supporting a constant patrol over 2000 miles of border isn't child's play either. We'd need a few regiments of choppers to get people where they need to be and pick up the patrol coming off shift. All this means money - a fucking ton of it - that we do not have.

No, we don't shoot them. (that is asinine beyond contempt. You never did aswer my inquiry either - do you advocate shooting women and children as well?)If people are caught trying to cross, they are arrested and after some processing, trucked back. (only to try again the following week - probably successfully.)

There are, reportedly, some vigilante groups out there willing to do so. But, I haven't heard of any "success" stories, and I would imagine if there were, there would also be some murder-1 and murder-2 charges being filed over it.

All-in-all, though, it is not a job that is anywhere close to as simple as you try to make it out to be. I'd bet you and your best buddy could not even patrol one mile of border and prevent me from crossing it. We're facing almost 2000 miles. And that does not include the possibility (probability) of ocean routes.

The better answer, IMO, is make it so they don't get what they are seeking by crossing illegally. We need new laws in place that criminalize hiring illegal immigrants. Fine the hell out of those who do, with jail time for repeat offenders. Cut off the employment and shut off the government freebies. If there is an anchor child, get them in a decent LEGAL home and send the parents packing. THAT, by itself, would give pause to those who plan on securing their status with a baby. And, if we set conditions so no one will hire them, government services are off limits to them, then they'll have no reason for risking an illegal border crossing in the first place.

At the same time (carrot and stick approach) we open up legal immigration a bit, according to the needs of those who do depend on immigrant labor. Speed the waiting line for legal immigration substantially while making illegal immigration far less attractive, and they'll have even less reason to break the law to get what they want. And the worst action we'd have to take is taking a child away from the parents, with an upside of giving that child a significantly better life than their natural parents could give them as illegal immigrants.
 
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I didn't force the tenants out. The tenants were "sold" with the building. That's a sizable part of what the building was worth.

You see, there are rent controls here so while two buildings may be identical the one with higher rent and young renters is usually worth considerably more.

A couple or single person, say, 50 years of age who has lived in the same apartment for 10 years would not only be paying low rent but the chances are they would not be moving. A young couple or person may finish university, get a better job, then move. Or decide to have a family and require a bigger place. When they move the rent increases.

We're talking almost double, in some cases. Even 50% more in rental income allows for a larger mortgage.

Hey, I was a good slumlord! I even dated the single Mom who rented my country place.

Yes, Sir! I offer the whole package! :)

Whereas previously, you were lamenting the fact that some tenents had to move; because you sold the building they were living in.
Now you seem to have a different chain of events.
 
You are the one who is dense. The U.S./Mexican border is almost 2000 miles long. We do not have the manpower to watch every linear foot of the border. They know that. They use that for their benefit.

The ones making big bucks charging to help people across are not stupid - they know how to watch for patrols and avoid them. Hell, I'd bet the majority who are helping people cross the border are from the U.S. (assholes) They know the land and, judging by their obvious success rates, know how to use lines of intervisibility, natural (and probably some man made) concealment, etc. That means having some dude watch 50 miles of border through binoculars does not work. We have to PATROL the border, back and forth. And while our border patrol is going forth, they're sneaking in behind. And then there are the tunnels. Do you think those tunnels were dug by people coming in?

We have our patrols out. Their numbers are woefully short of what it takes to do the job even half assed. They were augmented by some military for a while, but Obama has withdrawn those troops. There weren't enough to make a significant difference anyway. To do the job so as to completely shut down the border, we'd need between 16,000 and 20,000 men on the border 24/7. Figuring 40 hr weeks, that's over 85,000 men just for patrols, and not including supervisory staff, support staff, etc. And the logistics of supporting a constant patrol over 2000 miles of border isn't child's play either. We'd need a few regiments of choppers to get people where they need to be and pick up the patrol coming off shift. All this means money - a fucking ton of it - that we do not have.

No, we don't shoot them. (that is asinine beyond contempt. You never did aswer my inquiry either - do you advocate shooting women and children as well?)If people are caught trying to cross, they are arrested and after some processing, trucked back. (only to try again the following week - probably successfully.)

There are, reportedly, some vigilante groups out there willing to do so. But, I haven't heard of any "success" stories, and I would imagine if there were, there would also be some murder-1 and murder-2 charges being filed over it.

All-in-all, though, it is not a job that is anywhere close to as simple as you try to make it out to be. I'd bet you and your best buddy could not even patrol one mile of border and prevent me from crossing it. We're facing almost 2000 miles. And that does not include the possibility (probability) of ocean routes.

The better answer, IMO, is make it so they don't get what they are seeking by crossing illegally. We need new laws in place that criminalize hiring illegal immigrants. Fine the hell out of those who do, with jail time for repeat offenders. Cut off the employment and shut off the government freebies. If there is an anchor child, get them in a decent LEGAL home and send the parents packing. THAT, by itself, would give pause to those who plan on securing their status with a baby. And, if we set conditions so no one will hire them, government services are off limits to them, then they'll have no reason for risking an illegal border crossing in the first place.

At the same time (carrot and stick approach) we open up legal immigration a bit, according to the needs of those who do depend on immigrant labor. Speed the waiting line for legal immigration substantially while making illegal immigration far less attractive, and they'll have even less reason to break the law to get what they want. And the worst action we'd have to take is taking a child away from the parents, with an upside of giving that child a significantly better life than their natural parents could give them as illegal immigrants.

Good points. I agree. Again, it's to make illegal immigration unattractive.

I like the idea of keeping the child here, if the child wishes to stay, then send the parent home. Just a couple of cases like that would put a quick end to the anchor problem.

Another possibility would be slave labor camps. Illegals caught are put to work like chain gangs until they earn enough money for a bus ticket home.

What do you think of that idea?
 
Whereas previously, you were lamenting the fact that some tenents had to move; because you sold the building they were living in.
Now you seem to have a different chain of events.

That was in cases where the new owner wanted to take possession of an apartment/flat. The first building I purchased I moved into as the previous owners moved out so no one was displaced. I never moved into the second building as I already had an apartment. So I never forced anyone to move. It was the new owners.

See, I was a nice slumlord. :)
 
Good points. I agree. Again, it's to make illegal immigration unattractive.

I like the idea of keeping the child here, if the child wishes to stay, then send the parent home. Just a couple of cases like that would put a quick end to the anchor problem.

Another possibility would be slave labor camps. Illegals caught are put to work like chain gangs until they earn enough money for a bus ticket home.

What do you think of that idea?
I think you're looking for ideas to make the U.S. look as bad as possible.

1: It simple: catch 'em, send 'em home. (Or, how about we send 'em your way since you think it's such an easy problem to deal with.)

2: Quit with the stupid policies that lures them here in the first place.

3: Start smart policies which promotes legal immigration over illegal immigration.

And there is no choice than to allow an anchor child to remain. The 14th Amendment says they are a U.S. citizen. I'm pretty sure deporting our own citizens is not legal. The question is whether we allow the parents to remain. My opinion is no, we do not allow them to take undue advantage of our laws as they are now. It is not fair to people who do use the legal immigration system, it is not fair to the people of the U.S., and, frankly, it is not fair to the child to allow them to live their entire childhood dependent on the poverty relief systems.
 
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That was in cases where the new owner wanted to take possession of an apartment/flat. The first building I purchased I moved into as the previous owners moved out so no one was displaced. I never moved into the second building as I already had an apartment. So I never forced anyone to move. It was the new owners.

See, I was a nice slumlord. :)

And they wouldn't have had to move, if you had retained possession of the property; but you were being greedy.
 
"...In a matter of weeks, Congress will go from trying to help young, illegal immigrants become legal to debating whether children born to parents who are in the country illegally should continue to enjoy automatic U.S. citizenship.

Such a hardened approach -- and the rhetoric certain to accompany it -- should resonate with the GOP faithful who helped swing the House in Republicans' favor. But it also could further hurt the GOP in its endeavor to grab a large enough share of the growing Latino vote to win the White House and the Senate majority in 2012.

Legislation to test interpretations of the 14th Amendment as granting citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants will emerge early next session. That is likely to be followed by attempts to force employers to use a still-developing web system, dubbed E-Verify, to check that all of their employees are in the U.S. legally.

There could be proposed curbs on federal spending in cities that don't do enough to identify people who are in the country illegally and attempts to reduce the numbers of legal immigrants..."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...stitutional-amendment-face-scrutiny-congress/
 
"...In a matter of weeks, Congress will go from trying to help young, illegal immigrants become legal to debating whether children born to parents who are in the country illegally should continue to enjoy automatic U.S. citizenship.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Do they have a choice? It seems there is no ambiguity in the 14th Amendment.

OTOH, what about the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Are illegal immigrant subject to our jurisdiction? Seemingly, they are not - the best we can do is deport them unless they commit a major crime. If not, that could be used as an exclusionary clause for children born to illegal immigrants.

If it turns out the 14th applies, law enforcement has plenty of precedents for dealing with the children of criminals. And that is a point so many people seem to forget or be willing to ignore - illegal immigrants are, by definition, criminals - they have broken our immigration laws.
 
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Do they have a choice? It seems there is no ambiguity in the 14th Amendment.

OTOH, what about the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Are illegal immigrant subject to our jurisdiction? Seemingly, they are not - the best we can do is deport them unless they commit a major crime. If not, that could be used as an exclusionary clause for children born to illegal immigrants.

If it turns out the 14th applies, law enforcement has plenty of precedents for dealing with the children of criminals. And that is a point so many people seem to forget or be willing to ignore - illegal immigrants are, by definition, criminals - they have broken our immigration laws.

It seems that the Tea Party feels that they have a mandate to move forward.

..."It is instructive to watch the responses so far of the Obama administration, who have rewarded incarcerated immigrants while allowing American citizens in Arizona and Texas to be killed, terrorized, kidnaped, and robbed as opposed to sending support to the borders and coming to the aid of Americans. Obama's reaction to the plight of US citizens has been reprehensible and unbecoming of a Commander in Chief. This fact alone should be grounds for his impeachment.

Anyone remember watching on national TV as Obama and the Democrats applauding Calderon from Mexico as he criticized the US on the new immigration law SB1070 in Arizona? Is this the conduct of a patriotic American President?..."

http://www.examiner.com/tea-party-i...h-birth-the-anchor-baby-controversy-continues
 
I think you're looking for ideas to make the U.S. look as bad as possible.

1: It simple: catch 'em, send 'em home. (Or, how about we send 'em your way since you think it's such an easy problem to deal with.)

2: Quit with the stupid policies that lures them here in the first place.

3: Start smart policies which promotes legal immigration over illegal immigration.

And there is no choice than to allow an anchor child to remain. The 14th Amendment says they are a U.S. citizen. I'm pretty sure deporting our own citizens is not legal. The question is whether we allow the parents to remain. My opinion is no, we do not allow them to take undue advantage of our laws as they are now. It is not fair to people who do use the legal immigration system, it is not fair to the people of the U.S., and, frankly, it is not fair to the child to allow them to live their entire childhood dependent on the poverty relief systems.

It may all be settled soon with the The North American Union.
(Excerpt) Today we're going to put on our cheap suits, stick earpieces in, and join the legions of multinational Secret Service agents flowing out among the populace of Canada, the United States, and Mexico; as the borders disappear and we round up a unified population into forced socialism under martial law in our gigantic new pancontinental police state. (End)
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4210
 
It may all be settled soon with the The North American Union.
(Excerpt) Today we're going to put on our cheap suits, stick earpieces in, and join the legions of multinational Secret Service agents flowing out among the populace of Canada, the United States, and Mexico; as the borders disappear and we round up a unified population into forced socialism under martial law in our gigantic new pancontinental police state. (End)
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4210
Did you know some MIT grad students did a study that concluded that tin foil hats can actually accentuate, rather than diminish EM radiation reaching the brain (depending on frequency of the signal)?
 
Greedy? Quite the contrary. I divested myself of certain possessions. One could say I was being altruistic. :)

Nope.
You could have thought about those poor people renting from you and kept the building; because that way they wouldn't have had to move and more then likely end up spending more money for some place else.
You were being greedy.
 
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