With Trump’s election, Vlad Putin's complete victory in Ukraine is almost assured

Daylight63 said:
Part of how it works is that Trump will continue his weakening of NATO. This is why Putin was happy with Trump and didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. Trump was doing a great job of destabilizing NATO.

Ultimately Putin needs NATO to be weaker. So he'll let Trump do whatever is needed to get that and he'll get all of Ukraine that he wants so that we can have "peace in our time".

The real downside (other than handing Vlad what he wants directly) is that it will cause repercussions with our treaty partners who count on us to be the real backstop. We've decided that we don't agree with what they stand for so we are going to cut them loose. We'll have a new partner in Putin.
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Do you ever get tired of looking like a delusional, dishonest, lying dunce?

That was rhetorical.

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Post in thread 'It's time to play, 2024 Stupid Leftist predictions about the Presidency.'

Then, this twit with a lot of "DAYLIGHT" between his ears:

Daylight63

Here's how it will play out. Just as it did in 1945. Trump, if he wins, will start implementing his plans and they will get more and more and more scary but they will keep the MAGA folks safe. For a while. Soon even the "loyal" MAGAs will come under scrutiny for failure to toe the party line and sooner or later it will start to consume them.

At that point the MAGA folks will think "Hmmm, this isn't great" and then suddenly there will not be anyone in the entire US who admits to having been a MAGA...
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Daylight63 said:
Trump suggested we may not follow Article V.
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Suggested....may not. Try to be smarter.

Daylight63 said:
The GUTS of NATO. He did it during his first term. He CONSTANTLY worked to destabilize NATO.
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He constantly insisted that NATO start carrying their weight and stop relying on the US to fund it. That's pretty smart.

Daylight63 said:
If you missed it you are dumber than I imagined.
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Apparently, you missed what was being said and done and are just as dumb as I expected.

With the advent of the fall of the former Communist Soviet Union, NATO has outlived its purpose. Of course, uneducated dotards want to believe that Putin, who can't even conquer a tiny inept oligarchy like Ukraine after nearly three years of fighting, could conquer Europe or the former eastern bloc. That's laughably stupid.
 
Cypress said:

Trump’s victory could mean US withdraws support for Ukraine in war with Russia​


With the reelection of Donald Trump, Ukraine may soon have to adjust to a dramatic reduction in US support that could have a decisive impact on the war with Russia.

Throughout his campaign, the Republican president-elect and his running mate, JD Vance, have cast strong doubts on continued US commitment to Kyiv as the war drags on more than two and half years after Russian forces invaded. Moreover, Trump has made comments that suggest the US could pressure Ukraine into an uneasy truce with Russia.

Trump’s victory comes at a precarious moment in the conflict for Kyiv. Russia has steadily been making gains in the eastern Donbas region, which Russian President Vladimir Putin aims to capture in full

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To win favor with Vladimir, Trump will sell out the Ukrainians quicker than he did the Kurds, and the GOP, will defend his decision regardless
 
Teflon Don said:
There was a time when leftists didn't wants to get involved in overseas conflicts that had nothing to do with us. I don't care about Ukraine.
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More than just “caring about the Ukraine,” it is also about honoring America’s commitments, plus, preventing Putin from threatening other parts of Europe, you can’t be naive enough to think he doesn’t have designs on Moldavia or even the Baltic States
 
Cypress said:
Trump is Vlad's lapdog, and always has been
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I realize you mostly read rt in Russian but you really should get the perspective of Europeans.
The Economist isn’t bad if English is the only other language you’re proficient in besides Russian but there are English language German news sources, e.g.
I’m fluent in German so I read Focus in addition to The Economist.
 
They'll hail Trump as the great peacemaker as Ukraine falls and Gaza gets wiped out. Taiwan will probably be next. Russia and China will get stronger as they swallow our allies, and we cloister ourselves.
 
Teflon Don said:
There was a time when leftists didn't wants to get involved in overseas conflicts that had nothing to do with us.
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When exactly was that? Democratic presidents got us involved in conflicts in World War 2, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, Ukraine.

Teflon Don said:
I don't care about Ukraine.
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Exactly. Republicans voted on November 5 to abandon Ukraine and commence the demise of NATO
 
Teflon Don said:
There was a time when leftists didn't wants to get involved in overseas conflicts that had nothing to do with us. I don't care about Ukraine.
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Such a simplistic take is typical for a Trumpy. It's not hard to look at individual conflicts and decide whether they're in our best interests.

Going to Afghanistan because some -Saudis- did 9/11: not a good reason.

Going to Iraq because of non-existent WMDs: not a good reason.

Protecting Ukraine because we promised we would and not letting Putin strengthen Russia: a good reason. It's also the moral choice to protect a nations sovereignty vs an invading force.
 
archives said:
More than just “caring about the Ukraine,” it is also about honoring America’s commitments, plus, preventing Putin from threatening other parts of Europe, you can’t be naive enough to think he doesn’t have designs on Moldavia or even the Baltic States
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Not our business. Is he an imminent threat to us?
 
Mr.Badguy said:
They'll hail Trump as the great peacemaker as Ukraine falls and Gaza gets wiped out. Taiwan will probably be next. Russia and China will get stronger as they swallow our allies, and we cloister ourselves.
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Uk is dying a slow death now.
Anyway I figured out how to copy and paste excerpts from The Economist app I have.

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President Volodymyr Zelensky was quick to endorse the victory, and in fulsome terms. “We look forward to an era of a strong United States of America under President Trump’s decisive leadership,” he wrote on X (formerly Twitter, and now run by the pro-Trump billionaire Elon Musk). This was not just spin. In private, his staff have become increasingly frustrated by what they describe as the Biden administration’s “self-deterrence”, the habit of fearing escalation with Russia to the point of paralysis, and a growing gap between the rhetoric of “standing with Ukraine for as long as it takes” and actions that suggest the opposite.”

It goes on to say that Mike Pompeo had laid out a plan.

Potato Head has no real plan, IOW..
 
Mr.Badguy said:
Such a simplistic take is typical for a Trumpy. It's not hard to look at individual conflicts and decide whether they're in our best interests.

Going to Afghanistan because some -Saudis- did 9/11: not a good reason.

Going to Iraq because of non-existent WMDs: not a good reason.

Protecting Ukraine because we promised we would and not letting Putin strengthen Russia: a good reason. It's also the moral choice to protect a nations sovereignty vs an invading force.
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Wow, so you’re advocating us going to war in Ukraine.
Even Brandon wouldn’t go for that. He won’t even allow U.S. weapons be used inside Russia. IOW, he won’t even allow Ukraine to reasonably defend themselves.

I know you would never admit this but common sense says having a president and both the senate and house in one party is the best thing Ukraine could possibly ask for.
 
Cypress said:

Trump’s victory could mean US withdraws support for Ukraine in war with Russia​


With the reelection of Donald Trump, Ukraine may soon have to adjust to a dramatic reduction in US support that could have a decisive impact on the war with Russia.

Throughout his campaign, the Republican president-elect and his running mate, JD Vance, have cast strong doubts on continued US commitment to Kyiv as the war drags on more than two and half years after Russian forces invaded. Moreover, Trump has made comments that suggest the US could pressure Ukraine into an uneasy truce with Russia.

Trump’s victory comes at a precarious moment in the conflict for Kyiv. Russia has steadily been making gains in the eastern Donbas region, which Russian President Vladimir Putin aims to capture in full

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I doubt the Ukrainians will just give up. It'll be guerrilla warfare for years to come.
 
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