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Jan 16th, 2022, according to CBS, CNN, and NBC: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/crypto-com-hack-bitcoin-ethereum-30-million/.

Yes, it was actually a Bitcoin exchange that got hacked, not the blockchain itself. However, it is the exchanges that convert between Bitcoin and local currency.

Thank you for having the integrity to acknowledge this. In fact, it was Crypto.Com that got hit - which does not use distributed encryption.

Blockchains do not positively identify or verify any legal status of anything. They simply record transactions.

You're missing the point.

The use of Blockchain makes the encryption of data decentralized and distributed. The positive identification is done to provide a hash key to the user. The decentralized nature of the technology removes the single point of entry that brute force attacks - such as the one Crypto.Com fell prey to, useless.

Bitcoin, as popular as it is, has become a heavily loaded blockchain. Copying this massive thing around has become unwieldy, so many that once accepted Bitcoin are now no longer accepting it. It's slow. Conduction an election with one would quickly become unwieldy (even if blockchains DID work that way!) and it wouldn't improve security at all. Fake identifiers, and the fake ballots they would generate would still be possible under an election blockchain. The blockchain does would not discriminate a fake voter and a so-called verified one. ANYONE can create an identifier.

Blockchains simply do not work that way. Their use is in creating a limited set of tokens (some people refer to this as Bitcoin 'mining'), and conducting transactions with them. The blockchain itself is based on an algorithm that specifies the condition of a token to be on the blockchain. Such token is called a 'coin' on the Bitcoin algorithm and related currency algorithms.

As an election system, it simply wouldn't work. Blockchains don't work that way.

It would work phenomenally - and would be entirely secure.

Your point about BitCoin block size is valid, but in voting, there would be a fixed number of nodes, one per precinct would seem rational, it would not exponentially grow.

Here are a few links to NIST that explore various applications of BC, including in voting.

https://www.nist.gov/blockchain

Democrats would LOVE to see 'blockchain' voting. Using this buzzword, they could easily stuff ballots and get away with it because most people do not understand the very nature of the blockchain and they think of it as somehow 'secure'.

No, a far better method is to take the machines out of it completely. Hand count, using very small precincts. This is easily observed by contesting parties. Verify voting records and regularly expunge dead people and those that have moved away from the records. Allow those who have multiple residences to vote in only ONE jurisdiction (cross compare records across precincts and States to verify).

Aggressively enforce election laws, and actually imprison violators as criminals (no catch and release program). Allow only authorized personnel to certify each precinct and the collective whole. For President and Vice President, that's the legislatures of each State and no one else. It should be illegal for anyone serving any position in the election office to run for any office.

At least seven States never chose their electors in 2020. The governor race in AZ was counted by one of the contestants (the Democrat one, of course).

Election fraud by Democrats continues to be a problem. Aggressive enforcement is necessary to combat this. That last thing anyone needs is an election system running on the internet or through any algorithm on a computer of any kind.

Better to go back to passing the hat around, so to speak, and count by hand.

Hand counting has been rife with constant fraud - the midnight dumps of ballots that democrats engage in EVERY election. Without substantial change, the democrat corruption of elections will continue.
 
Thank you for having the integrity to acknowledge this. In fact, it was Crypto.Com that got hit - which does not use distributed encryption.
Certainly.
You're missing the point.
No, I am making a point that you seem to be ignoring.
The use of Blockchain makes the encryption of data decentralized and distributed.
Not how blockchain works. It is not a codec.
The positive identification is done to provide a hash key to the user.
There is no positive identification in blockchains. Blockchains do not identify with hash keys.
The decentralized nature of the technology removes the single point of entry that brute force attacks - such as the one Crypto.Com fell prey to, useless.
The single point of entry is the election office (which happens to be the source of the problem).
It would work phenomenally - and would be entirely secure.
Nope. It is no more secure than voting is now.
Your point about BitCoin block size is valid, but in voting, there would be a fixed number of nodes, one per precinct would seem rational, it would not exponentially grow.
Not how blockchain works. The size of the blockchain is not dependent on the number of nodes. Why one node per precinct?
Here are a few links to NIST that explore various applications of BC, including in voting.

https://www.nist.gov/blockchain
Heh. One is not 'a few'. No, the same limitations apply and the same faults apply that I mentioned.
Hand counting has been rife with constant fraud - the midnight dumps of ballots that democrats engage in EVERY election.
Why are these 'midnight dumps of ballots' not prosecuted? It is obvious election fraud and in violation of law.
Without substantial change, the democrat corruption of elections will continue.
The change is to enforce the law and aggressively punish election fraudsters.
 
Poll workers cannot change votes. I volunteered a few times for it. Your duties and functions are defined.

It's amusing for the fascists to post this. No one here suggested that poll workers are changing votes. But you fascists sure said they were; In fact Princeton and "Wired" claimed that blue hairs at the polls could reprogram them without a keyboard or user interface, tapping out binary using the lead wires.

https://citp.princeton.edu/our-work/voting/

More amusing is the Dominion IS DEIBOLD. The fascist left loves to say "Deibold bad, Dominion good, bahh, bahhh." But Deibold simply merged with other concerns and rebranded to Dominion - that the left now says are flawless and perfect.

The number 1 form of election fraud is proxy voting. An illegal alien voting using the registration of dead voters or voters who have moved. It is impossible to prove on a large scale and can only be stopped through clean registration rolls and voter ID - which is why the democrats fight with everything they have to stop both ID and cleaning voter rolls.


The second most common is the "midnight dump"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122644940271419147
 
Correct. So was the plan to kill Osama bin Laden.

Do you understand the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory, Sybil?

Douche Duck, why do you call others "Sybil" when the only one I've seen proven to run socks, is you?

Once again proving that there is no hypocrisy like demopocrisy..
 
It's amusing for the fascists to post this. No one here suggested that poll workers are changing votes. But you fascists sure said they were; In fact Princeton and "Wired" claimed that blue hairs at the polls could reprogram them without a keyboard or user interface, tapping out binary using the lead wires.

https://citp.princeton.edu/our-work/voting/

More amusing is the Dominion IS DEIBOLD. The fascist left loves to say "Deibold bad, Dominion good, bahh, bahhh." But Deibold simply merged with other concerns and rebranded to Dominion - that the left now says are flawless and perfect.

The number 1 form of election fraud is proxy voting. An illegal alien voting using the registration of dead voters or voters who have moved. It is impossible to prove on a large scale and can only be stopped through clean registration rolls and voter ID - which is why the democrats fight with everything they have to stop both ID and cleaning voter rolls.


The second most common is the "midnight dump"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122644940271419147

You are generally correct here. Proxy voting is illegal in most cases in many States, allowed only for certain very limited circumstances (such as serving in the military). The Democrats used fear mongering over covid19 to conduct widespread proxy voting. This in and of itself is election fraud.
The 'midnight dump' is also election fraud. Election offices are closed. NO COUNTING SHOULD BE OCCURRING and NO BALLOTS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED. Counting should be done by each precinct, not a central office. Precincts should be small, not covering thousands of voters.

The falsely registered voter is another common tactic. Blockchain is NO help here. The same office that has incorrect voting records would be issuing the identifiers.
 
Douche Duck, why do you call others "Sybil" when the only one I've seen proven to run socks, is you?

Once again proving that there is no hypocrisy like demopocrisy..

If you were smarter, Underscore, you'd know I only call Sybil's three socks "Sybil". Wanna guess why?
 
It's amusing for the fascists to post this. No one here suggested that poll workers are changing votes. But you fascists sure said they were; In fact Princeton and "Wired" claimed that blue hairs at the polls could reprogram them without a keyboard or user interface, tapping out binary using the lead wires.

https://citp.princeton.edu/our-work/voting/

More amusing is the Dominion IS DEIBOLD. The fascist left loves to say "Deibold bad, Dominion good, bahh, bahhh." But Deibold simply merged with other concerns and rebranded to Dominion - that the left now says are flawless and perfect.

The number 1 form of election fraud is proxy voting. An illegal alien voting using the registration of dead voters or voters who have moved. It is impossible to prove on a large scale and can only be stopped through clean registration rolls and voter ID - which is why the democrats fight with everything they have to stop both ID and cleaning voter rolls.


The second most common is the "midnight dump"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122644940271419147

dead voters are registering? How do they do that? Do you know that votes are sent to the precinct that the voter is assigned to? They keep a book of all registered voters. They see if the vote is assigned to their precinct. If so, the first check is a signature match. That is mostly computerized now. If it passes that, then the balot is counted assuming the voter did not fuck it up with too many votes for judges etc. If it passes, the vote is counted and the VOTER IN MARKED AS VOTED. That means another vote with his name on it would be flagged and the poll officials would be called.
If the name on the ballot is not in the log book, it is rejected. It cannot be counted. Officials are notified.
A dump of ballots, early or late would go through the same procedures. As you can see, that would not work.
Illegals using dead persons' ballots? That makes sense to you? How. The most common form of voter fraud is spouses using dead spouses' ballots. The majority of that tiny segment were Repub voters.
Why would illegals want to vote? They are here to make money and support their families. Why would they want to vote in an election that they know nothing about? Would you vote in Mexican elections if you could?? Who would you vote for? Of course, you know nothing about their politicians. Yet you think they want to vote in ours.
 
Certainly.

No, I am making a point that you seem to be ignoring.

Not how blockchain works. It is not a codec.

There is no positive identification in blockchains. Blockchains do not identify with hash keys.

I never said there is. What I said is that verification of identity is performed prior to giving the voter a hash key.

The single point of entry is the election office (which happens to be the source of the problem).

That's not how blockchain works.

Nope. It is no more secure than voting is now.

Not how blockchain works. The size of the blockchain is not dependent on the number of nodes. Why one node per precinct?

Come now, the size of the ledger is entirely dependent on number of nodes. The issue with BitCoin you brought up is the exponential growth of ledger size due to the exponential growth of nodes involved.

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Heh. One is not 'a few'.

You didn't click the link, it leads to the NIST site that indeed has quite a few peer reviewed articles listed.

No, the same limitations apply and the same faults apply that I mentioned.

Why are these 'midnight dumps of ballots' not prosecuted? It is obvious election fraud and in violation of law.

The change is to enforce the law and aggressively punish election fraudsters.

The reason these dumps and proxy voting are not prosecuted is that they leave no audit trail and are exceedingly hard to prove in court.
 
Oh, I know why;

“Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty” - Saul Alensky

https://www.amazon.com/Rules-Radica...3bb836e1af615f51b5d11fdfd65ffb&language=en_US

You've proved that maxim throughout this thread, Underscore:
Dead voters are not cleared from registration rolls, moron.

You Nazis wage litigious war to stop voter rolls from being updated to remove those who have died or moved. Election fraud is WHY your filthy Reich fights these efforts.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/politics/voter-roll-purges-lawsuits-vote-by-mail/index.html

81 million votes were caste for Xi's man Joe. 60 million of them by living, legal, registered voters.
Hey douche duck, you still spewing the RUSHING COALUSHUN shit?

You know you are, sploogy..

https://external-content.duckduckgo...af5157715f5f1c958fdd17bd8dac08a32c&ipo=images

Why are dumb people ALWAYS leftists?

Hey douche duck so WHO is spreading conspiracy theories?

I know - GLORIOUS PARTY is real science - facts, evidence, reality, you mindless drones have no time for that.

It's amusing for the fascists to post this. No one here suggested that poll workers are changing votes. But you fascists sure said they were; In fact Princeton and "Wired" claimed that blue hairs at the polls could reprogram them without a keyboard or user interface, tapping out binary using the lead wires.
 
dead voters are registering? How do they do that?
RQAA.
Do you know that votes are sent to the precinct that the voter is assigned to? They keep a book of all registered voters.
Including dead voters and voters that have moved out of the precinct.
They see if the vote is assigned to their precinct. If so, the first check is a signature match.
Doesn't happen with proxy voting, dumbass.
That is mostly computerized now.
Nope.
If it passes that, then the balot is counted assuming the voter did not fuck it up with too many votes for judges etc.
So are fake ballots.
If it passes, the vote is counted and the VOTER IN MARKED AS VOTED.
Which is why the legitimate voter finds out somebody else already voted for him illegally.
That means another vote with his name on it would be flagged and the poll officials would be called.
No, they are not called.
If the name on the ballot is not in the log book, it is rejected. It cannot be counted. Officials are notified.
Since dead people and people that have moved away are in the log book. The result is a fake ballot.
A dump of ballots, early or late would go through the same procedures. As you can see, that would not work.
Illegal to dump ballots early or late.
Illegals using dead persons' ballots? That makes sense to you? How.
RQAA.
The most common form of voter fraud is spouses using dead spouses' ballots.
Nope. Election fraud is conducted by election workers.
The majority of that tiny segment were Repub voters.
Lie.
Why would illegals want to vote?
They are paid.
They are here to make money and support their families. Why would they want to vote in an election that they know nothing about?
They are paid.
Would you vote in Mexican elections if you could?? Who would you vote for? Of course, you know nothing about their politicians. Yet you think they want to vote in ours.
They are paid.
 
I never said there is. What I said is that verification of identity is performed prior to giving the voter a hash key.
So...no different than presently done, along with all the same problems with voter records.
Into the Night said:
That's not how blockchain works.
Come now, the size of the ledger is entirely dependent on number of nodes.
No. It is dependent on the number of transactions.
The issue with BitCoin you brought up is the exponential growth of ledger size due to the exponential growth of nodes involved.
No. It is dependent on the number of transactions.
You didn't click the link, it leads to the NIST site that indeed has quite a few peer reviewed articles listed.
Consensus is not a proof. Attempted proof by consensus.
The reason these dumps and proxy voting are not prosecuted is that they leave no audit trail and are exceedingly hard to prove in court.
No audit trail????!? Then the midnight ballot dumps never occurred? Of course they have! The ballot stuffing never occurred? Of course they have! The election laws changing after the fact and by illegal authority never occurred? Of course they have. The illegal counting after hours with no observers never occurred? Of course they have. The software faults in the voting machines never existed? Of course they have. The conduction of an election by a person running for office never occurred? Of course it did. The failure of a legislature to choose electors never happened? Of course it did.

Yeah. There is a lot of evidence. It all has an 'audit trail' as you describe.

Now don't get me wrong, I like blockchain technology. It won't work for elections though. Blockchains simply don't work that way. They are not a codec. They have many uses as a digital currency and as a logkeeping method, but they cannot fix the faults in the election system. It is no magick fix. Aggressive enforcement of the law (including the Constitution) will do that.
 
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