Yep the us sits on it's butt again

Hydrogen would be useful in a car as a storage medium, but not in a home. If you used eloctrolosysis to produce it from water with no CO2 output, it would be like recharging batteries at the power station, bringing them home, and powering your home with them.
 
Watermark said:
Hydrogen would be useful in a car as a storage medium, but not in a home. If you used eloctrolosysis to produce it from water with no CO2 output, it would be like recharging batteries at the power station, bringing them home, and powering your home with them.
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Take a look at the Honda Clarity.

We don't have the infrastructure to support fuel cell cars now, but hopefully soon.... hopefully by the time they are more affordable.
 
Watermark said:
If a fuel cell produced CO2 it would have a net neutral effect, as it would take just as much Co2 out of the atmosphere as it put in. Oil is new CO2 that we are digging up and throwing into the atmosphere. Oil is pretty much the only thing that does that.
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It reforms natural gas, same net effect as you discuss with (evil) oil.
 
Watermark said:
He is getting his hydrogen from a hydrocarbon, natural gas, which contains carbon. What he's basically doing is splitting off the carbon part and taking the hydrogen. The fuel cell itself doesn't do anything with carbon. Once Hydrogen becomes widespread, other options will become viable, and we won't need to extract it from natural gas.
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This is the classical problem made in examining these systems. The components can not be isolated and examined separately; the overall system is the correct unit for analysis. This is the same mistake made in claiming that an electric vehicle is 'zero-emissions.'

Yes, WHEN hydrogen is widespread... but that is not this system. This system liberates carbon.
 
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uscitizen said:
Yep and produces less CO2 than the usual methods of powering a home.
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Water is trying to be clever and play the fuel cell off as an independent item, rather than looking at the entire system as installed, and as indicated in the article in question.

Fuel cell takes in H2 and air.
The SYSTEM takes in CH4 and air.
 
Troglodyte27 said:
Water is trying to be clever and play the fuel cell off as an independent item, rather than looking at the entire system as installed, and as indicated in the article in question.

Fuel cell takes in H2 and air.
The SYSTEM takes in CH4 and air.
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but still produces less poloution per home than altermative systems in place. Also no distribution losses.
once this system is in place the natural gas in the pipes could be replaced by hydrogen..not too bad of a plan to me.
 
If you really want to talk about energy, you need to be advocating nuclear energy. For some reason the left wants to emulate all parts of France except for its energy solutions.
 
Nuclear power is a threat to the oil business. Just like anything that would actually uplift all humanity is a threat to the elitist control matrix.
 
LOL. We will have to wait for the Japanese ? to develop that battery tech first and the Chinese to manufacture it for us to use....

You all missed the point of this post.
 
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