You Have the Right To Be offended

They should not fund you just to think.

Ha ha ha, it would be nice if they would.

But the underlying premise of your argument appears to be that an organisation shouldn't fund that that it cannot define?

Working from that premise, universities shouldn't even fund the teaching of philosophy, as it cannot fund that that it cannot define....
 
I guess they should not fund medical research into diseases that we do not yet understand or cannot define either ?
Lets just go back to the "fact" that sins and evil spirits cause diseases.
 
Much like government should not fund companies, even if they are not producing anything at all, nobody should be paid just for being an "artist" regardless of what they produce. Once again you take out of context of the greater conversation in an attempt to make a 'point' that is a logical fallacy according to what was expressed. This is a weak argument.

The government contracts for services and receives them, fine. The government should not just give you money because you are an 'artist' or a 'philosohper'. I even explained earlier in the thread, teach. That is acceptable funding of such a thing. But just because you are failing at your chosen job it doesn't mean you deserve money just to do it.

This argument is just a small section of the argument of the extent to which government should act, compared to the extent to which the individual should act, and in extension, the argument between negative and positive freedom.

Art undoubtably contributes to society, I doubt anyone would seriously argue against that. The more challenging the art, the greater contribution.

If what art was produced was decided only by the consumer, popular art would be predominant, my 'dogs playing poker point'. Wealthy patrons might sponsor great and challenging art, but the access to that by the public is likely to be limited, and the public would be exposed to less challenging art, reducing the contribution art makes to society as a whole.

You could then argue Ih8's point, that this leads to a dictat of art by government (the totalitarian argument of positive freedom) and this would be a valid point.

So, how to resolve that paradox. If government, to ensure access by all of society to challenging art, finances art on the behalf of that society, yet the choices of the art it finances should be removed from government, and placed into the hands of an independent body, it is, to a degree, resolved.

The argument then would be the make-up of the independent body.
 
I find it hilarious that people who get upset over government subsidies for companies would support subsidies of another sort that also shouldn't come about.

There is a fundemental difference between government subsidising a company, who's entire raison d'etre is to create profit for a very few members of society and government sponsoring art that enhances the whole of society.
 
I find it hilarious that people who get upset over government subsidies for companies would support subsidies of another sort that also shouldn't come about.

There is a fundemental difference between government subsidising a company, who's entire raison d'etre is to create profit for a very few members of society and government sponsoring art that enhances the whole of society.
It could be argued that the product of the company enhances society as well. There is a fundamental disconnect in your premise.

Should the government fund big pharma because it "enhances" society?
 
It could be argued that the product of the company enhances society as well. There is a fundamental disconnect in your premise.

Should the government fund big pharma because it "enhances" society?
If it did indeed enhance society and if it did indeed require assistance, then yes. "Big pharma" fails the second test easily and the first in the estimation of far too many people.

Should the government sponsor stem cell research? You betcha. The government should fund basic science in general, 'cause the private sector does a piss poor job of it. The same goes for arts funding.
 
If it did indeed enhance society and if it did indeed require assistance, then yes. "Big pharma" fails the second test easily and the first in the estimation of far too many people.

Should the government sponsor stem cell research? You betcha. The government should fund basic science in general, 'cause the private sector does a piss poor job of it. The same goes for arts funding.
Neither needs that kind of assistance. The writer can write without subsidy, the painter can paint without subsidy and pharma can make medicine without subsidy.
 
Who develpoed AZT ? NIH, NIH has developed a lot of drugs.

It has been proven in recent years that the commercial side of pharma does a poor job of testing drugs...Ever since Regan fast tracked them....
 
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