You know it's true

In an online discussion, the burden of proof generally falls on the person making an assertion or claim. Here's why:

  • Logical Principle: The principle often cited here is that "the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim." This is rooted in logical reasoning where the one who introduces a new claim is responsible for providing evidence to support it.
  • Philosophical Basis: Philosophically, this aligns with principles like Occam's razor, where simpler explanations (which often require less proof) are preferred until compelling evidence suggests otherwise. In debates or discussions, if you claim something extraordinary or contrary to common knowledge, you're expected to back it up.
  • Legal Analogy: Drawing from legal contexts, in many judicial systems, the burden of proof is on the prosecution or plaintiff. By analogy, in an online discussion, if you're making a claim (proposing an idea, stating a fact, etc.), you're akin to the plaintiff or prosecution in needing to substantiate your claim.
  • Practicality: Online, where anyone can assert anything with little to no immediate consequence, this rule helps manage the flow of information. It prevents the endless cycle of "prove me wrong" by putting the onus on the claimant to provide evidence or reasoning.
The philosophical basis for the burden of proof in discussions, particularly online, rests on several foundational concepts:

  1. Principle of Argumentation:
    • Argumentum ad Ignorantiam (Appeal to Ignorance): Philosophically, one cannot assert something to be true simply because it hasn't been disproven. The burden of proof ensures that claims are not accepted merely because no counter-evidence has been presented.
  2. Skepticism:
    • The philosophical stance of skepticism holds that one should withhold judgment or claim knowledge only when there is sufficient evidence. This naturally places the burden on the person asserting a claim to provide that evidence.
  3. Occam's Razor:
    • Often summarized as "the simplest explanation is usually the best one," this principle suggests that when multiple explanations exist, the one that requires the least number of assumptions should be favored until disproven. This inherently puts the onus on the person making a more complex claim to justify the additional assumptions.
  4. Epistemology:
    • In the study of knowledge (epistemology), knowledge is traditionally defined as justified true belief. The justification part is where the burden of proof comes in; one must justify their belief with evidence or rational argumentation.
  5. Fallibilism:
    • This philosophical doctrine posits that human knowledge is always fallible, suggesting that any assertion could be wrong. Thus, when making a claim, one should be prepared to provide reasons or evidence, acknowledging that in the quest for truth, all claims are provisional.
  6. Falsifiability (Popper's Criterion):
    • Karl Popper argued that for a theory to be considered scientific, it must be falsifiable. By extension, in any discourse, claims should be structured in a way that they can be tested or potentially disproven, which again places the burden on the claim-maker to present a hypothesis in a way that allows for such testing.
  7. Rationality and the Burden of Proof:
    • Rational debate often involves the principle that one should not accept claims without sufficient reason. This encourages a culture of inquiry and evidence-based argumentation, where those making claims are expected to support them with logic or evidence.
  8. Dialogue and Dialectic:
    • Philosophically, the dialectic method, as seen in Socratic dialogues, involves questioning and answering to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions. Here, the burden of proof is a tool for advancing understanding, ensuring that each step in the argumentation process is justified.

These philosophical underpinnings suggest that the burden of proof isn't just a procedural aspect of debate but is deeply rooted in the ethics of intellectual discourse, where truth, fairness, and the advancement of knowledge are paramount. This philosophical basis helps maintain the integrity of discussions by encouraging evidence-based assertions rather than baseless claims.

@Grok
 
What a load of intellectual misdirection the previous post is. History ancestrally repeating the same social practices every generation isn't evolving, it is artificial explanations on how to manifest better tomorrows than genetics sustained population left alive each day forward now.
 
GhIzU6eWoAAKK-y
 
Diogenes said:
In an online discussion, the burden of proof generally falls on the person making an assertion or claim. Here's why:

  • Logical Principle: The principle often cited here is that "the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim." This is rooted in logical reasoning where the one who introduces a new claim is responsible for providing evidence to support it.
  • Philosophical Basis: Philosophically, this aligns with principles like Occam's razor, where simpler explanations (which often require less proof) are preferred until compelling evidence suggests otherwise. In debates or discussions, if you claim something extraordinary or contrary to common knowledge, you're expected to back it up.
  • Legal Analogy: Drawing from legal contexts, in many judicial systems, the burden of proof is on the prosecution or plaintiff. By analogy, in an online discussion, if you're making a claim (proposing an idea, stating a fact, etc.), you're akin to the plaintiff or prosecution in needing to substantiate your claim.
  • Practicality: Online, where anyone can assert anything with little to no immediate consequence, this rule helps manage the flow of information. It prevents the endless cycle of "prove me wrong" by putting the onus on the claimant to provide evidence or reasoning.
The philosophical basis for the burden of proof in discussions, particularly online, rests on several foundational concepts:

  1. Principle of Argumentation:
    • Argumentum ad Ignorantiam (Appeal to Ignorance): Philosophically, one cannot assert something to be true simply because it hasn't been disproven. The burden of proof ensures that claims are not accepted merely because no counter-evidence has been presented.
  2. Skepticism:
    • The philosophical stance of skepticism holds that one should withhold judgment or claim knowledge only when there is sufficient evidence. This naturally places the burden on the person asserting a claim to provide that evidence.
  3. Occam's Razor:
    • Often summarized as "the simplest explanation is usually the best one," this principle suggests that when multiple explanations exist, the one that requires the least number of assumptions should be favored until disproven. This inherently puts the onus on the person making a more complex claim to justify the additional assumptions.
  4. Epistemology:
    • In the study of knowledge (epistemology), knowledge is traditionally defined as justified true belief. The justification part is where the burden of proof comes in; one must justify their belief with evidence or rational argumentation.
  5. Fallibilism:
    • This philosophical doctrine posits that human knowledge is always fallible, suggesting that any assertion could be wrong. Thus, when making a claim, one should be prepared to provide reasons or evidence, acknowledging that in the quest for truth, all claims are provisional.
  6. Falsifiability (Popper's Criterion):
    • Karl Popper argued that for a theory to be considered scientific, it must be falsifiable. By extension, in any discourse, claims should be structured in a way that they can be tested or potentially disproven, which again places the burden on the claim-maker to present a hypothesis in a way that allows for such testing.
  7. Rationality and the Burden of Proof:
    • Rational debate often involves the principle that one should not accept claims without sufficient reason. This encourages a culture of inquiry and evidence-based argumentation, where those making claims are expected to support them with logic or evidence.
  8. Dialogue and Dialectic:
    • Philosophically, the dialectic method, as seen in Socratic dialogues, involves questioning and answering to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions. Here, the burden of proof is a tool for advancing understanding, ensuring that each step in the argumentation process is justified.

These philosophical underpinnings suggest that the burden of proof isn't just a procedural aspect of debate but is deeply rooted in the ethics of intellectual discourse, where truth, fairness, and the advancement of knowledge are paramount. This philosophical basis helps maintain the integrity of discussions by encouraging evidence-based assertions rather than baseless claims.

@Grok
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Lot of noise, but yet you can't rebut what I said. lol
 
EdwinA said:
Lot of noise, but yet you can't rebut what I said. lol
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I don't need to rebut what you said. You may be correct. I am not disagreeing with you. I want to know if you have any basis for your belief, or if you don't. It rather appears that you haven't.
 
Diogenes said:
I don't need to rebut what you said. You may be correct. I am not disagreeing with you. I want to know if you have any basis for your belief, or if you don't. It rather appears that you haven't.
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So you don't know where to look any of it up. Okay. Maybe next year, when you get promoted to 9th grade?
 
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