Young FREELY Choosing Not to Buy Health Insurance
- Thread starter TheDanold
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Well, that was insightful. Are going to contribute to the discussion or are you going to just start playing semantic games and hyper-focus on BS minutiae that no one is really talking about anyway while pretending to play devil's advocate again?
So, you are admitting that you were purposefully misreading the title in order to spin the original statement?
Whether you think I am "Playing Devil's Advocate" doesn't change the fact that the title says nothing about a "majority".
See how that works. You ask somebody to backtrack on something they didn't say. How does it feel?
I was responding to topper, hot shot. As I made clear in my post when I said
Get it?
The OP is misleading in that it assumes that young adults are "freely choosing" not to purchase health insurance simply because they are not purchasing health insurance. There are myriad other reasons why young adults may not be purchasing it, not least of which is that they may not be able to afford it.
TheDanold
Unimatrix
The title is correct. For some they simply choose not to pay but can afford it, with others they could afford it if they made some sacrifices like giving up their car, cheaper rent place, etc...
But they don't do so and it is by their own free choice.
The lefties are trying to change the definition of "afford", I mean I could say I can't "afford" an ATV, but the reality is I have no spare money for one. I COULD really afford it if I wanted to give up something else but I don't.
Saying something doesn't make it true. You have no evidence to back up your assertions, yet again. You just assume that they could afford it if they really wanted to but without any authority to back up the assumption.
Let me guess, now I'll hear the story about the uninsured 20-something down the street that just bought a new car. Am I right?
TheDanold
Unimatrix
Define "afford". Just about anyone could take a 2nd job to buy health insurance if they really wanted but they don't, it's just not important enough to them.
Topspin
Verified User
also not counted are millions buying it because they have good corp jobs and it's real cheap, it's naive and foolish to plan otherwise.
Universal healthcare is a different issue, that should and will come out of general taxes and at the expense of bombing countries every 8 yrs.
Universal healthcare is a different issue, that should and will come out of general taxes and at the expense of bombing countries every 8 yrs.
Not my job. You made the original assertion that young adults are freely choosing not to purchase health insurance. You back that statement up with factual information in support before looking to me to disprove you.
The issue is why they are not purchasing health insurance. I have already conceded that there are probably some young adults that are really, truly not purchasing health insurance because they are freely choosing not to. First, 70% of young adults are insured. They have health insurance. So, from the outset we are talking about 30% of young adults that are uninsured. Why are them uninsured? Free choice? Unemployed? Broke? Uninsurable? Who knows? Not me. And not Dano.
The ignorance of this, and of comparing health insurance to an "ATV", is mind-boggling.
Get some help, Dano.
Topspin
Verified User
I hope the insurance requirement fails miserably as it's a feable attempt at the past failed Hillary care.
We need a Nationalize (no insurance) healthcare system. Raid the military industrial complex to pay for it.
Shit dems are all over the Pharma's benefitting from seniors gettting more free drugs. Why are they not against the insurance companies raping us.
We need a Nationalize (no insurance) healthcare system. Raid the military industrial complex to pay for it.
Shit dems are all over the Pharma's benefitting from seniors gettting more free drugs. Why are they not against the insurance companies raping us.
Immanuel
Junior Member
Families (and there are a lot of young families) cannot afford to buy health insurance on their own. Hell, even young singles are hard pressed to pay for their own health insurance. My company pays almost $1200 per month per family (less the $200 they charge me) and for singles it in nearly $500 per month. Young adults many who are working their way up the ladder at low wage jobs simply can't afford to pay for coverage. Hell, I could not afford to pay $1200 a month if my company said sorry we can't cover you any more.
Those of you who work in the production side of your companies, just ask your human resources dept how much they pay for your health insurance. If you work for a company that is still providing health insurance as a benefit, you will probably be surprised to find out just how much you cost them.
We are headed for a health insurance crisis. Companies are going to stop carrying coverage and when they do only the ultra-rich will be able to afford their own health insurance. Didn't GM just avoid a strike by passing the coverage off on the union?
As for Danold's, "just take a second job", solution. That is crap. It is rarely feasible. Second jobs are rarely full time and full wages. They are not going to cover the cost of health insurance. Danold, you are living in a dream world if you think that is an solution.
Immie
Those of you who work in the production side of your companies, just ask your human resources dept how much they pay for your health insurance. If you work for a company that is still providing health insurance as a benefit, you will probably be surprised to find out just how much you cost them.
We are headed for a health insurance crisis. Companies are going to stop carrying coverage and when they do only the ultra-rich will be able to afford their own health insurance. Didn't GM just avoid a strike by passing the coverage off on the union?
As for Danold's, "just take a second job", solution. That is crap. It is rarely feasible. Second jobs are rarely full time and full wages. They are not going to cover the cost of health insurance. Danold, you are living in a dream world if you think that is an solution.
Immie
Agnosticus_Caesar
Fuck You Too
Dano has always resorted to this type of ridiculous Non Sequitur. Young, healthy people have always been rather apathetic about health care. That is nothing new (despite Dano trying to pretend it is).
Dano is trying to imply that we should do away with health insure for they reasons he manufactures (but doesn't check for defects).
Guess what else young, healthy people usually don't bother with...
SAVINGS
Should we do away with savings accounts?
Dano is trying to imply that we should do away with health insure for they reasons he manufactures (but doesn't check for defects).
Guess what else young, healthy people usually don't bother with...
SAVINGS
Should we do away with savings accounts?
We should do away with nationalized savings that return nothing. Yes.
I would like to note the total non-sequitor of your argument as well. Nobody said, "Do away with doctors because young people don't use insurance."
The argument, however presented, was against nationalized insurance.
You are confusing it not being a priority or them reasoning that it is not worth the costs to not being able to afford it. Not really the same thing.
Agnosticus_Caesar
Fuck You Too
I need to see some mechanisms for the claims that "X is the reason why health care costs so much".
I see the claims, but never see any mechanisms to support said claims.
I see the claims, but never see any mechanisms to support said claims.