Donald Trump 'voids' Joe Biden's pardons after former president used autopen signature

Poor farang

And while autopens (mechanical devices used to automatically add a signature to a document) have come under scrutiny in the past, the Justice Department as recently as 2005 determined they were constitutional and could be used for a president to sign a bill into law in a study commissioned by then-President George W. Bush.

"If the autopen is illegal, then many of the actions and regulations that presidents have done for the past four or five decades are null and void. It's a ridiculous argument," said Elaine Kamarck, a senior fellow of governance studies at the Brookings Institution.

"There is nothing in the Constitution that requires that a pardon must be signed without an autopen. Obviously, that is a 20th century invention, and earlier presidents had no access to such technology. Nonetheless, Trump has zero authority to undo a Biden pardon, just as the next president has no authority to undo Trump's pardons," said Michael Gerhardt, a constitutional law expert at the University of North Carolina.

Despite his claims, legal experts told ABC News that Trump does not have the power to overturn Biden's actions.

A president's clemency power is vested in Article II of the Constitution and is "broad and virtually unlimited," said Jeffrey Crouch, an assistant professor at American University and expert on presidential pardons.

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They were void and vacant anyway. You cannot pardon someone that has not been convicted, and Biden was never President anyway!
Spot on. The 2020 election was stolen. Only Trump had the authority of We the People during that time. Biden couldn't issue any pardons.
 
What you call revenge, some would call justice. Although, one would ask, if they did nothing wrong they would not need preemptive pardons.The pardon is and of itself an admission of guilt. Even you would have to admit that
One who has committed a crime is technically guilty if they accept a pardon.

The people who trump promised to come after did nothing wrong. Quite the contrary. IMO the most important actions that trump is 'investigating' is against those who can prove that he stole, and more than likely sold classified top secret documents to our enemies.

Those who proved that he instigated Jan. 6 likewise broke no laws.

None of these people are charged with anything, so they cannot be guilty of anything.
 
It doesn't. Geebus, this is why I noted rulings on this in the past. You have got to pay attention to what someone says.
You noted various random rulings without defining anything.
The foundational case is Kastigar v. United States (406 U.S. 441, 1972), where the Supreme Court ruled that the government can compel testimony from a witness who invokes their Fifth Amendment privilege by granting use and derivative-use immunity.
Said witness was not being accused, Damo. Irrelevant.
Just repeating things does not make them more correct,
Never said it did, Damo.
in fact repeating things when you have new information that directly contradicts what you have said makes it even more wrong.
You never gave anything contradicting.
This immunity prevents the prosecution from using the compelled testimony or any evidence derived from it against the witness in a criminal case. The Court held that this level of protection is coextensive with the Fifth Amendment privilege, meaning it sufficiently safeguards the witness while allowing the government to obtain testimony. The ruling clarified that full transactional immunity (complete protection from prosecution for the offense) is not constitutionally required... use and derivative-use immunity is enough.
1. It's not a pardon. It is witness protection.
2. The witness was not the accused.
There are other rulings, but this was the foundational case on the subject. A pardon makes it impossible to prosecute for the crime, shoot in Hunter's case you cannot prosecute for ANY crime real or imagined he may have committed during a period of over a decade, thus you cannot violate his 5th through compelling testimony.
Compositional error fallacy. You cannot compare a protected witness to the accused.

How do you 'pardon' someone for something they've never done???? What crime????
 
The reality is, an autopen was not used (even though one of Trump's own federal judges ruled it is perfectly acceptable anyway).
An autopen was used. It is not acceptable for someone else to sign Biden's signature. That's called forgery. It's a crime.
Instead, Trump and his braindead cocksucking cult looked at the Federal Register, saw a reproduction signature that they use for all documents displayed wrt that president, and decided it was an autopen signature because they didn't realize it's a reproduction, not the actual signed document, because they're so fucking stupid.
So you admit it was a forgery.
 
One who has committed a crime is technically guilty if they accept a pardon.
One who has committed a crime is guilty of that crime, Altoid.
The people who trump promised to come after did nothing wrong.
They certainly did. Breaking the law is doing something wrong.
Quite the contrary. IMO the most important actions that trump is 'investigating' is against those who can prove that he stole, and more than likely sold classified top secret documents to our enemies.
You are describing Biden. Trump is not Biden.
Those who proved that he instigated Jan. 6 likewise broke no laws.
He didn't instigate Jan 6 rioting. Pelosi did.
None of these people are charged with anything, so they cannot be guilty of anything.
They are guilty of rioting and violence. Those are crimes, Altoid.
 
You noted various random rulings without defining anything.

Said witness was not being accused, Damo. Irrelevant.

Never said it did, Damo.

You never gave anything contradicting.

1. It's not a pardon. It is witness protection.
2. The witness was not the accused.

Compositional error fallacy. You cannot compare a protected witness to the accused.

How do you 'pardon' someone for something they've never done???? What crime????
Dear gods... You are being deliberately obtuse, the rulings are direct, especially the last one that specifically stated that a pardon makes it so you cannot claim 5th Amendment for crimes which you have been pardoned, therefore Hunter is ripe for forced testimony.

And again, if you are President you can pardon them for anything. even crimes they have not committed.

If I were President and pardoned you for "any crime committed within the past 11 years real or imagined" like Biden's handlers did, you would be pardoned, so long as you accepted the pardon, regardless of what crime you may have nor had not committed.
 
Dear gods... You are being deliberately obtuse, the rulings are direct, especially the last one that specifically stated that a pardon makes it so you cannot claim 5th Amendment for crimes which you have been pardoned, therefore Hunter is ripe for forced testimony.

And again, if you are President you can pardon them for anything. even crimes they have not committed.

If I were President and pardoned you for "any crime committed within the past 11 years real or imagined" like Biden's handlers did, you would be pardoned, so long as you accepted the pardon, regardless of what crime you may have nor had not committed.
For federal crimes only.
 
Trump is nuts and has no respect for the laws or the Constitution. He has a staff of lawyers going over everything in the Constitution and the laws looking for loopholes that he can use to grab more power or destroy the separation of powers. He wants to be a king and he is destroying anything in his way. This is a crime against the nation. But crimes are how he operates.
 
Even you have to agree that trump ran on a platform of getting revenge against anyone who ever spoke out about him, or investigated him.
Nope. Trump did not run on such a platform. Trump ran on a platform of putting Americans first and of making America great again. You should try to pay attention next time; if you do, you'll find it very enlightening.

We have never seen pre-emptive pardons before because we never had a moron like trump breaking every single norm in the book.
You can't blame Trump for the blatant corruption of Biden and the DNC.
 
One who has committed a crime is technically guilty if they accept a pardon.

The people who trump promised to come after did nothing wrong. Quite the contrary. IMO the most important actions that trump is 'investigating' is against those who can prove that he stole, and more than likely sold classified top secret documents to our enemies.

Those who proved that he instigated Jan. 6 likewise broke no laws.

None of these people are charged with anything, so they cannot be guilty of anything.
If you are correct, and you have zero reason to be so certain or self righteous then there should have been no need for a pardon.
 
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