Any reloaders or gun guys or gals here ?

Dutch Uncle said:
There are dumbasses who think Israel owns us, but in reality, we own them. Israel is important to the US as an unsinkable aircraft carrier. The US is important to Israel as their main, and sometimes, only lifeline on the entire fucking planet.

That said, I've owned a lot of guns and an Uzi-import (long barrel) was among them. It was a great shooter. Reliable all day long, but it was heavy. Lighter good shooters were available. Good cleaning and good ammo solved any other common problems.

30-06 is a solid round. Like the Uzi, there are lighter, smaller, cheaper and just as effective smaller rounds. I prefer the NATO 7.62 in everything but long range sniper uses. 700 yards or less, with a decent barrel and it does everything a 30-06 can do.

That said, I like the 7.62X39 as a 100 yard or less hog killer. There are many reasons. The round will hit 4 times as far, but for hunting, it's ethical to go for the solid, drop-dead kill. My eyes and the round itself don't guarantee that at much more than 100 yards. If I was just killing hogs because they are very destructive vermin, then I'd take a 200 yard shot with my SKS or AK-47, but vermin or not, my ethics don't allow leaving a wounded animal to spend hours in pain because I chose to be expedient.
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The guy that works with me dropped a boar on his land @ 250 yds with a .17 HMR . He wasn't "wounded", he dropped right there and was in the the ground the next day.
That's a BB-sized bullet.

I don't think I'm going to share how we know how to drop anything including gators with the possible leftists viewing this post because fuck that.

We know how..they don't..I can drop damn near anything with a .22.

That IS something us crackers know. We'll kill a gator and feed it to the kids for lunch.

PLUS when you do it like that, the meat is much better. I tasted that hog, and it was good! Gator, too!
 
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Matt Dillon said:
The guy that works with me dropped a boar on his land @ 250 yds with a .17 HMR . He wasn't "wounded", he dropped right there and was in the the ground the next day.
That's a BB-sized bullet....
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Can you do that? Can he do it each shot and every shot? Can you guarantee that a .17 HMR will drop a hog at 250yds 9 times out of 10? 50/50? How do you measure your ethics in this situation?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Can you do that? Can he do it each shot and every shot? Can you guarantee that a .17 HMR will drop a hog at 250yds 9 times out of 10? 50/50? How do you measure your ethics in this situation?
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Just about, mister. Depends on the operator.

If you shoot it in the right place every time, it's going to drop every time.

I can do it to rabbits at a full run 75% of the time. Instant shutdown. I bet ol' boy can't even do that.

We ain't no chump shots 'round heanh.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Just about, mister. Depends on the operator.

If you shoot it in the right place every time, it's going to drop every time.

I can do it to rabbits at a full run 75% of the time. Instant shutdown. I bet ol' boy can't even do that.

We ain't no chump shots 'round heanh.
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Correct, it depends on the operator. An operator knows the odds. An operator knows the limitations of their equipment.

So you keep saying, sir.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Do you know how to kill a gator with a .22?

If not, STFU.

I'm talking an actual alligator, not a UF student. A swamp critter.
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What an oddly funny statement. Are you an old man confessing to murdering, and possibly raping, a UF student?
 
Matt Dillon said:
The guy that works with me dropped a boar on his land @ 250 yds with a .17 HMR . He wasn't "wounded", he dropped right there and was in the the ground the next day.
That's a BB-sized bullet.

I don't think I'm going to share how we know how to drop anything including gators with the possible leftists viewing this post because fuck that.

We know how..they don't..I can drop damn near anything with a .22.

That IS something us crackers know. We'll kill a gator and feed it to the kids for lunch.

PLUS when you do it like that, the meat is much better. I tasted that hog, and it was good! Gator, too!
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I think you have a very limited knowledge of guns caliber and killing power and ethical harvesting of game.
 
Bulletbob said:
I think you have a very limited knowledge of guns caliber and killing power and ethical harvesting of game.
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I think you have no clue as to how it really is.

I never seen no gator flopping around or running off after being shot, and motherfucker I could absolutely take deer with a .22 all day and the meat will be better than what you "ethically" shoot.

Ethical is an instant shutdown. That's what I consider ethical. I think you've been eating gamey meat because you're not on my level.
I ain't had a jacked up anything..well I think that cow got jacked up with some meat I bought here lately..
I ain't had jacked up game in 15 years, ok probably more..
 
Matt Dillon said:
I think you have no clue as to how it really is.

I never seen no gator flopping around or running off after being shot, and motherfucker I could absolutely take deer with a .22 all day and the meat will be better than what you "ethically" shoot.

Ethical is an instant shutdown. That's what I consider ethical. I think you've been eating gamey meat because you're not on my level.
I ain't had a jacked up anything..well I think that cow got jacked up with some meat I bought here lately..
I ain't had jacked up game in 15 years, ok probably more..
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Yes I know exactly how it is I was hunting at the age of 7 inn Kentucky and have been a life long hunter, I was a meat hunter and ethical as possible a .22 lr is not a really ethical for game. Yes it will kill a gator of used more or less like a ban stick at close range.
And a lot of people use them on gators .
A 17 hmr is very unsuitable and unethical for wild bore at any distance .Period . Its good for prairie dogs turkeys and such . it is not suited for larger game.
I know very well what I'm talking about, I know practical hunting and gun skills and what calibers are acceptable for ethical clean kills to reduce the chances of wounding a animal and it suffering or being lost.

As a American hunter we need to display our concern for game and clean ethical taking of game and not look like a bunch of red neck goobers with a desire to kill and draw blood , being a sportsman is important part of hunting and proper game management to preserve the sport and have a good public opinion of our sport and actions.

Im not some city boy I grew up on farms 3 of them to be exact one inKy where I was born one in Ohio and one in wv I am a hillbilly , but I also apperate the land and the game god provided us , we are hunters by nature .
 
Almost made a big amateur reloading mistake tonight .
I had trimmed up about 200 lake city cases to length fired 1 time , I had already resized them and primed them.
I prepared my Hornady powder drop by placing some IRM 4064 in it ,my preferred powder for accuracy shooting and making match grade ammo for my one rifle.
I dropped a load of powder to measure and while weighing it so I could adjust my powder drop it looked wrong and it was , IRM 4064n is a extruded powder and this was ball powder, h335 I think. I had failed to empty my powder drop and this could of really caused some safety issues had I not caught it.
It cost me the powder I had poured in the powder drop and a bit of time readjusting the drop . I really try tom avoid mistakes but even veteran reloads can make them if not careful.
And yes I did check the can of powder Impoured in it was what it should be.
 
Bulletbob said:
Almost made a big amateur reloading mistake tonight .
I had trimmed up about 200 lake city cases to length fired 1 time , I had already resized them and primed them.
I prepared my Hornady powder drop by placing some IRM 4064 in it ,my preferred powder for accuracy shooting and making match grade ammo for my one rifle.
I dropped a load of powder to measure and while weighing it so I could adjust my powder drop it looked wrong and it was , IRM 4064n is a extruded powder and this was ball powder, h335 I think. I had failed to empty my powder drop and this could of really caused some safety issues had I not caught it.
It cost me the powder I had poured in the powder drop and a bit of time readjusting the drop . I really try tom avoid mistakes but even veteran reloads can make them if not careful.
And yes I did check the can of powder Impoured in it was what it should be.
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Yeah, having your operation blow up is B-A-D. :)
 
The standard load for sub moa accuracy in my .223 ar

I use is a standard federal primer
I use lake city brass and trim it all to as close as I can and yes I sort it also by lot.

The bullets I use are Nossler 69 grain math grade bullets and the powder is Irm 4064.
 
Reloaded som 308 rounds. Going to make sure my old lever action Savage is zeroed in tomorrow as I may have a doe hunt in Northern OK later this month. I should load some 9 mm but I’m counting on more availability and reasonable prices soon. Besides I have a lot already loaded...but I also shoot a lot. I believe that if you’re going to be good with a pistol you have to shoot a pistol.
 
Went rabbit hunting today. Young dog did well. Shot a few...missed a few. Had to open my last box of 410 shells so I’ll be loading some 410’s over Christmas break, Lord willing.
 
leaningright said:
Reloaded som 308 rounds. Going to make sure my old lever action Savage is zeroed in tomorrow as I may have a doe hunt in Northern OK later this month. I should load some 9 mm but I’m counting on more availability and reasonable prices soon. Besides I have a lot already loaded...but I also shoot a lot. I believe that if you’re going to be good with a pistol you have to shoot a pistol.
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yes I agree to be good with a pistol or any gun really you nee to shoot them a good bit.

Have not been rabbit hunting in a very long time , when I have more time Ill explain why.

..308 is a great caliber suitable for pretty well everything in north America , with the exception of larger bears such as brown bears etc. fine for black bear.
while I would prefer my old 300 win mag for moose a 308 will get the job done .

I load a lot 0f 9mm .38 and .357 the .38 and .357 is very expensive to buy . 9 mm has gone up a lot even if you can find it.
 
Bulletbob said:
yes I agree to be good with a pistol or any gun really you nee to shoot them a good bit.

Have not been rabbit hunting in a very long time , when I have more time Ill explain why.

..308 is a great caliber suitable for pretty well everything in north America , with the exception of larger bears such as brown bears etc. fine for black bear.
while I would prefer my old 300 win mag for moose a 308 will get the job done .

I load a lot 0f 9mm .38 and .357 the .38 and .357 is very expensive to buy . 9 mm has gone up a lot even if you can find it.
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Be interesting to hear about your reason for not rabbit hunting...

I bought this 308 cheap several years ago. My brother had to have it so I sold it to him. He passed away a few years ago and the gun ended up back with me. I haven’t shot it much. It’s ok but it’s not a tack driver. I’d be comfortable to take a deer out to 100 yds but no further. I’ll go ahead and carry it if we make the doe hunt. My favorite big game rifle has been an old 303 British that I cut up and modified. We hunt mostly whitetails and that gun is more than adequate. I like tinkering with loads for it and it performs really well with 150 grain Hornady bullets. The last few times I’ve hunted with a modern firearm I have carried an old Marlin 44 magnum that I got on the cheap. It was pretty rough looking but I have cleaned it up, repaired a couple of things and re-blued it. It’s a good shooting gun but I’m a sucker for lever guns.

I plan to do some serious reloading over Christmas break. Besides the aforementioned 410’s I need, I also need to load the wife some 38’s. Can’t find any of this stuff now where I live but I have components enough to load several thousand rounds...I just need to take the time to do it.

Edit: Here is the link to the 303 modification I did in 2016...

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?76005-Gun-modification

Edit 2: Never mind the link...the pictures aren’t there anymore.
 
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