As Feminists, as Libertarians, You Cannot Defend Capitalism

[evince]

Under Socialism you won't have CEOs. obviously, but democratic control.

NOPE

in any endeavor like manufacturing you have to have somewhere where the Buck stops.

that means a CEO of said manufacturing.


that means a power seat you have to fill police and hire and fire as needed.


It will burden any government to the point of fail.

check history that is what happened

 

[iolo]

NOPE

in any endeavor like manufacturing you have to have somewhere where the Buck stops.

that means a CEO of said manufacturing.


that means a power seat you have to fill police and hire and fire as needed.


It will burden any government to the point of fail.

check history that is what happened

Under any democratic system, the buck stops with US. History has been capitalist, as you know, for the last couple of centuries, murdering those who attempted to replace it. You favour murderers as well as thieves?

 

[evince]

rose I have proven you wrong in your statement about how I post.


now its time for you to do the honorable thing and admit you got me wrong.

its what decent people do

 

[evince]

Under any democratic system, the buck stops with US. History has been capitalist, as you know, for the last couple of centuries, murdering those who attempted to replace it. You favour murderers as well as thieves?

so you claim nothing abhorant ws ever done in the name of socialism by an out of control socialistic system?


my oh my


the deny is strong in this one

 

[evince]

heres the deal

socialism has never worked because it places TOO MUCH POWER in too few hands.

there is no way to design it without that happening.


that is why every time its been tried it morphs into something else.

the same is true of unfettered capitalism.


TOO much power in too few hands which then morphs into something else.

dictatorship.

Its unworkable no matter how many times you try it.

time to accept those facts

 

[iolo]

so you claim nothing abhorant ws ever done in the name of socialism by an out of control socialistic system?


my oh my


the deny is strong in this one

You are talking about State capitalism, doubtless - Stalin and so on? Socialism is rule by working people. Did that happen under the regimes you are presumably talking about? They were capitalist and killed like capitalists.

 

[evince]

if you make caplitalism illegal who runs the manufacturing of what people want and need to buy?


what you anti capitalist don't take into consideration is these REAL point about your ideas.



wsithout capitalism its a government hired or elected person deciding what your allowed to buy or own

 

[evince]

Oh yeah you cant buy things because that is capitalism.

what they GIVE you out of their precious little hearts?

 

[evince]

most people who think their IDEAL of socialism is actually socialism isn't socialism.

NO capitalism means NO BUYING WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BUY!

 

[evince]

It means someone hired by the government makes shit and if its not what you want to fucking bad

 

[evince]

you can make it yourself for yourself but you better not sell it or even give it to a neighbor or you just broke the law

 

[evince]

where the hell are you rose?


Im decimating your socialistic ideas and you cant defend them

 

[/MSG/]

That's not true at all. Socialism isn't dictatorship. Socialism is when production is controlled democratically, not by some autocratic state.

All historical evidence to the contrary.

 

[evince]

man did that feel good to thank you billy

 

[I'm Watermark]

Desh, knock it off. I'm trying - I can't devote all my time to the internet. If you want me to argue with you, sure, I will, but give me a chance to.

Where to start... You don't understand what socialism is. As iolo says, it's a system based on democratic control by the workers. This can include markets of cooperatives, or communes, or state distribution centers. No matter how it manifests itself, it's always democratic.

The government is a socialist country may be an instrument for workers to control the trade of goods, or it may be something that doesn't interfere too much in the economy, or it may not even exist. The premier examples of socialist states were/are based on cooperation between a strong central government, and strong organs of democratic control from below.

 

[I'm Watermark]

All historical evidence to the contrary.

Which socialist countries have had production owned near exclusively by the state?

 

[evince]

your the one who is proposing it.

give me the perameters you want to impose.

FLESH IT OUT!


now remember what you said about me that started this thread?

I have proven without a doubt you were wrong already huh?

 

[evince]

Which socialist countries have had production owned near exclusively by the state?

which ones have NOT???

 

[evince]

That is what it turns into because the power gets consolidated.

face the truth

Its historically failed ideas just like unfettered capitalism

 

[evince]

my point is already made huh rose?

time for you to step up and be a decent person and admit you were very very wrong about me huh