As we attempt to re-Industrialize America, What Manufacturing do we WANT and are Able to do?

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A very serious, and important question.


So the point of the Trump2 Tariffs is to re-balance the international trade playing field, and begin to re-industrialize America, by getting factories going to produce products which we have the raw material, skills, and facilities to make in enough abundance and quality, to make not just what we need for our own use, but also to sell internationally.


We seem to be lacking in Rare-Earth-Metals, which are used in the production of everything from strong permanent magnets, to microchips, to laser diodes. So we seek to buy those materials from foreign sources, such as Ukraine, Iran, Indonesia and the Congo...


Well, what Industries or raw mat do we have, that other nations need, that we can build factories and develop a trained, skilled work force to produce specifically for the purpose international trade?


A few examples: EV cars and trucks, high tech non-lithium batteries, solar cells, animal feed-stocks, Laser Diodes, semi-conductor chips, high tech carbon fiber embedded plastics, food safe stainless steel for cookware, Medications, Paper, Steel, Aluminum, refrigeration compressors, farm produced low pollution, non-toxic fish...


What does America have the inherent raw materials, expertise, space, facilities, and expected foreign markets, to build-up as American Produced products for the world-stage.


What are we good at, have the raw materials, for, and is an under-served market, that we should be pursuing as our contribution to the Global Trade exchange?


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martin said:
One other question: what happens with things like, say eating, between now and when the new factories are up and running and giving us that great economy?
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One hallmark attribute of the typical MAGAT is their ignorance of economics. They don't seem to have a clue that America's productivity and manufacturing are as robust as ever. (Well, they were till Trump started a trade war, at any rate.) We employ fewer workers in our factories though because of automation, not because China or other countries "stole" our manufacturing. They also don't seem to understand that building and staffing new factories is going to take years. Businesses are not going to invest in that while the current chaos reigns.

Trump would have been far better off offering tax breaks to corporations who have off-shored their products to bring them back here.
 
Kurmugeon said:
A very serious, and important question.

So the point of the Trump2 Tariffs is to re-balance the international trade playing field, and begin to re-industrialize America
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Companies aren't going to invest capital in reindustrializing America unless they are certain the tariffs are permanent and staying in place. Trump himself said he is willing to negotiate tariffs. Trump's message board minions say the tariffs are just a negotiating gimmick. That telegraphs to businesses these tariffs are just temporary and negotiable.
 
What is there an unfulfilled market for, that America is Good or The Best at making, and we can make in quantities greater than our own needs?

It is not enough to be able to make it, or be "The Best" at making, there has to be a market with large unmet demand, in which we can be financially competitive and we have, or can buy, the raw materials...

This is NOT a simple problem!

It is way more complex than rocket-science!


And we certainly cannot be competitive, if hampered with Ebonics or DEI!
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As we attempt to re-Industrialize America, What Manufacturing do we WANT and are Able to do?​


Of course, de-growth and environmental policy will be uppermost in everybody's mind.


Haw, haw..........................................................haw.
 
Kurmugeon said:
A very serious, and important question.


So the point of the Trump2 Tariffs is to re-balance the international trade playing field, and begin to re-industrialize America, by getting factories going to produce products which we have the raw material, skills, and facilities to make in enough abundance and quality, to make not just what we need for our own use, but also to sell internationally.


We seem to be lacking in Rare-Earth-Metals, which are used in the production of everything from strong permanent magnets, to microchips, to laser diodes. So we seek to buy those materials from foreign sources, such as Ukraine, Iran, Indonesia and the Congo...


Well, what Industries or raw mat do we have, that other nations need, that we can build factories and develop a trained, skilled work force to produce specifically for the purpose international trade?


A few examples: EV cars and trucks, high tech non-lithium batteries, solar cells, animal feed-stocks, Laser Diodes, semi-conductor chips, high tech carbon fiber embedded plastics, food safe stainless steel for cookware, Medications, Paper, Steel, Aluminum, refrigeration compressors, farm produced low pollution, non-toxic fish...


What does America have the inherent raw materials, expertise, space, facilities, and expected foreign markets, to build-up as American Produced products for the world-stage.


What are we good at, have the raw materials, for, and is an under-served market, that we should be pursuing as our contribution to the Global Trade exchange?


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There will be no increase in manufacturing in this nation. Corporations are very happy with the perks of offshoring labor. And offshoring pollution
 
martin said:
You said that before. In WWII industry fought it but the thousands of women and blacks who eventually joined the workforce notwithstanding the resistance helped fuel the greatest industrial output until then in history.
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Way back, when women were not allowed to become STEM field workers, doctors, scientists, mathematicians... we were throwing away 51% of our genius innovators.


Today, in America, White-Men are 30% of the population, yet just 4% of the four year college degrees. Yet for the last 26 years straight, women, who are 51% of the population, have be 85%+ of the four year college degrees. Yet that whole time, they have been getting huge benefits, set asides, preferences, and biases in college as a "Minority".


Of the 15% who were men, most were Black, and a few gays. Straight-White-Males as college graduates have become an extreme rarity, and women, particularly black-women, are grossly over-represented.


Well, no nation can be competitive in the world economy, with some factor loading down their production in whatever industry, with just a 4%-ish disadvantage. It doesn't have to be man-power. In the steel industry, lacking coal, iron-ore, or limestone (flux), will make a nation's ability to be a major steel producer poor, and not internationally competitive. Yet decade after decade we throw away 26% of our population who are white-males...


No wonder we cannot compete.


It doesn't matter who a nation systemically discriminates against, Blacks, or Whites, Gays or Straights, Men or Women... if a nation throws away huge swathes of its people, based on DEI, it cannot compete on the world's stage.

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Kurmugeon said:
A very serious, and important question.


So the point of the Trump2 Tariffs is to re-balance the international trade playing field, and begin to re-industrialize America, by getting factories going to produce products which we have the raw material, skills, and facilities to make in enough abundance and quality, to make not just what we need for our own use, but also to sell internationally.


We seem to be lacking in Rare-Earth-Metals, which are used in the production of everything from strong permanent magnets, to microchips, to laser diodes. So we seek to buy those materials from foreign sources, such as Ukraine, Iran, Indonesia and the Congo...


Well, what Industries or raw mat do we have, that other nations need, that we can build factories and develop a trained, skilled work force to produce specifically for the purpose international trade?


A few examples: EV cars and trucks, high tech non-lithium batteries, solar cells, animal feed-stocks, Laser Diodes, semi-conductor chips, high tech carbon fiber embedded plastics, food safe stainless steel for cookware, Medications, Paper, Steel, Aluminum, refrigeration compressors, farm produced low pollution, non-toxic fish...


What does America have the inherent raw materials, expertise, space, facilities, and expected foreign markets, to build-up as American Produced products for the world-stage.


What are we good at, have the raw materials, for, and is an under-served market, that we should be pursuing as our contribution to the Global Trade exchange?


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Go back to school. Good lord. :palm:
 
martin said:
One other question: what happens with things like, say eating, between now and when the new factories are up and running and giving us that great economy?
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