As we attempt to re-Industrialize America, What Manufacturing do we WANT and are Able to do?

Phantasmal said:
That is no longer true, batteries these days will last 10-20 years.
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predictive modeling by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory indicates that today's electric car batteries may last about 12 to 15 years in moderate climates. Those in more extreme climates can expect shorter lifespans in the eight- to 12-year range
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Dutch Uncle said:
Road Kill is the RFK Jr diet. How is it?
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Kurmugeon said:
A very serious, and important question.


So the point of the Trump2 Tariffs is to re-balance the international trade playing field, and begin to re-industrialize America, by getting factories going to produce products which we have the raw material, skills, and facilities to make in enough abundance and quality, to make not just what we need for our own use, but also to sell internationally.


We seem to be lacking in Rare-Earth-Metals, which are used in the production of everything from strong permanent magnets, to microchips, to laser diodes. So we seek to buy those materials from foreign sources, such as Ukraine, Iran, Indonesia and the Congo...


Well, what Industries or raw mat do we have, that other nations need, that we can build factories and develop a trained, skilled work force to produce specifically for the purpose international trade?


A few examples: EV cars and trucks, high tech non-lithium batteries, solar cells, animal feed-stocks, Laser Diodes, semi-conductor chips, high tech carbon fiber embedded plastics, food safe stainless steel for cookware, Medications, Paper, Steel, Aluminum, refrigeration compressors, farm produced low pollution, non-toxic fish...


What does America have the inherent raw materials, expertise, space, facilities, and expected foreign markets, to build-up as American Produced products for the world-stage.


What are we good at, have the raw materials, for, and is an under-served market, that we should be pursuing as our contribution to the Global Trade exchange?


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At best, if at all, it would take years for a company to start building plants, and if they do, robotics will be the goal, not trying to reproduce a 1950’s America
 
Kurmugeon said:
Way back, when women were not allowed to become STEM field workers, doctors, scientists, mathematicians... we were throwing away 51% of our genius innovators.


Today, in America, White-Men are 30% of the population, yet just 4% of the four year college degrees. Yet for the last 26 years straight, women, who are 51% of the population, have be 85%+ of the four year college degrees. Yet that whole time, they have been getting huge benefits, set asides, preferences, and biases in college as a "Minority".


Of the 15% who were men, most were Black, and a few gays. Straight-White-Males as college graduates have become an extreme rarity, and women, particularly black-women, are grossly over-represented.


Well, no nation can be competitive in the world economy, with some factor loading down their production in whatever industry, with just a 4%-ish disadvantage. It doesn't have to be man-power. In the steel industry, lacking coal, iron-ore, or limestone (flux), will make a nation's ability to be a major steel producer poor, and not internationally competitive. Yet decade after decade we throw away 26% of our population who are white-males...


No wonder we cannot compete.


It doesn't matter who a nation systemically discriminates against, Blacks, or Whites, Gays or Straights, Men or Women... if a nation throws away huge swathes of its people, based on DEI, it cannot compete on the world's stage.

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If you're going to post an argument based on sourced information you need to post the source. Your 4 percent white male number is absurd. What sources can there be that credibly report the number of gay college graduates? Anyway, you will find that white men and women comprise a large majority of college graduates, with about 55 percent of the total being female.

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archives said:
At best, if at all, it would take years for a company to start building plants, and if they do, robotics will be the goal, not trying to reproduce a 1950’s America
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I have been employed in setting up, improving, programing, aligning, and repairing Industrial Robots for 12 years now.


I do not make QFSP modules, the attachment mechanism uses UV light, and has to use a microscope to weld a 100 micro fiber optic to the photonics chip wave guide output, with an accuracy of around 3 microns. No human can do it.


But I repaired and aligned the robot that did. It is good, high paying, but tough on the body(allot of crawling in tight spaces, with hazards), work.

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Kurmugeon said:
I have been employed in setting up, improving, programing, aligning, and repairing Industrial Robots for 12 years now.


I do not make QFSP modules, the attachment mechanism uses UV light, and has to use a microscope to weld a 100 micro fiber optic to the photonics chip wave guide output, with an accuracy of around 3 microns. No human can do it.


But I repaired and aligned the robot that did. It is good, high paying, but tough on the body(allot of crawling in tight spaces, with hazards), work.

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But not a field that employs the thousands of workers
 
Kurmugeon said:
A very serious, and important question.


So the point of the Trump2 Tariffs is to re-balance the international trade playing field, and begin to re-industrialize America, by getting factories going to produce products which we have the raw material, skills, and facilities to make in enough abundance and quality, to make not just what we need for our own use, but also to sell internationally.


We seem to be lacking in Rare-Earth-Metals, which are used in the production of everything from strong permanent magnets, to microchips, to laser diodes. So we seek to buy those materials from foreign sources, such as Ukraine, Iran, Indonesia and the Congo...


Well, what Industries or raw mat do we have, that other nations need, that we can build factories and develop a trained, skilled work force to produce specifically for the purpose international trade?


A few examples: EV cars and trucks, high tech non-lithium batteries, solar cells, animal feed-stocks, Laser Diodes, semi-conductor chips, high tech carbon fiber embedded plastics, food safe stainless steel for cookware, Medications, Paper, Steel, Aluminum, refrigeration compressors, farm produced low pollution, non-toxic fish...


What does America have the inherent raw materials, expertise, space, facilities, and expected foreign markets, to build-up as American Produced products for the world-stage.


What are we good at, have the raw materials, for, and is an under-served market, that we should be pursuing as our contribution to the Global Trade exchange?


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our oil and mineral wealth is vast.

we can do it all.

the willingness to enslave one's population is not a legitiamate comparative advantage, it's slavery.
 
Kurmugeon said:
I have been employed in setting up, improving, programing, aligning, and repairing Industrial Robots for 12 years now.


I do not make QFSP modules, the attachment mechanism uses UV light, and has to use a microscope to weld a 100 micro fiber optic to the photonics chip wave guide output, with an accuracy of around 3 microns. No human can do it.


But I repaired and aligned the robot that did. It is good, high paying, but tough on the body(allot of crawling in tight spaces, with hazards), work.

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one job.

that's great.

Technocratic anti-humanism is wonderful.
 
archives said:
But not a field that employs the thousands of workers
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Sorry, you're wrong.


Our company, one of hundreds of such companies, employs four thousand, nation wide, and world wide, 20 X as many.


One site, has 17 full time employees from our company, working in shifts, 24/7.


When I worked for an Amazon Robotic Ware House, the RME crew was 80 people. One of dozens of such warehouses. At the same warehouse, there was another tech division, that was more IT, and less wrenches and bearings, that was around 100 people.


Then there were the people who repaired the floor Robots, which was yet another crew, smaller, about 30 people, but paid six figures.

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The electrical tech work pays very well, but it has risks. The NFP-70e role alone takes months of training, and if you make even a small mistake, you die.


But it is allot safer than working as a RadWorkerII at a nuclear accelerator doing munitions R&D, which is the job I did the decade before.

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Kurmugeon said:
Sorry, you're wrong.


Our company, one of hundreds of such companies, employs four thousand, nation wide, and world wide, 20 X as many.


One site, has 17 full time employees from our company, working in shifts, 24/7.


When I worked for an Amazon Robotic Ware House, the RME crew was 80 people. One of dozens of such warehouses. At the same warehouse, there was another tech division, that was more IT, and less wrenches and bearings, that was around 100 people.


Then there were the people who repaired the floor Robots, which was yet another crew, smaller, about 30 people, but paid six figures.

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tech jobs will be all hib visa people.

trump was an asshole on h1b visas.
 
Neoclitorus said:
tech jobs will be all hib visa people.

trump was an asshole on h1b visas.
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I am not a fan of H1b Visas. But with DEI making allot of American Candidates into clueless morons... The work has to get done, and safely.


Get rid of DEI, and you can phase out H1B visas. Foreign training schools don't do DEI.


A 4000A circuit-breaker arc-flash doesn't care about your race, gender or orientation. Follow the rules, meticulously, and you will be okay. If you think that your Black Privilege or Gender Preference gives you the right to ignore the rules, Phhhhhhhzzzzt and you die.

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Kurmugeon said:
I am not a fan of H1b Visas. But with DEI making allot of American Candidate into clueless morons... The work has to get done, and safely.


Get rid of DEI, and you can phase out H1B visas.

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you're still saying the same lying bullshit.

they don't want americans.

they're not seriously looking.

they're rather have indentured servants.

they put up fake job openings to scare the public into accepting h1b bullshit.
 
Kurmugeon said:
The electrical tech work pays very well, but it has risks. The NFP-70e role alone takes months of training, and if you make even a small mistake, you die.


But it is allot safer than working as a RadWorkerII at a nuclear accelerator doing munitions R&D, which is the job I did the decade before.

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you seem pretty badass.
 
Neoclitorus said:
you seem pretty badass.
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Not among my peers. I was the nerd. The guy who was always thinking up a new way to approach the problem, and fix the long term problems, not get the bearing on the 300 lbs shaft ASAP. I figured out why the bearing kept failing, and fixed that.


Allot of the other guys would roll their eyes at my slow, meticulous approach, and search for root causes.


I was allot less gorilla, and allot more pencil necked geek in side shielded, horn rimmed, safety glasses. (aka as birth control glasses)

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Kurmugeon said:
Not among my peers. I was the nerd. The guy who was always thinking up a new way to approach the problem, and fix the long term problems, not get the bearing on the 300 lbs shaft ASAP. I figured out why the bearing kept failing, and fixed that.


Allot of the other guys would roll their eyes at my slow, meticulous approach, and search for root causes.


I was allot less gorilla, and allot more pencil necked geek in side shielded, horn rimmed, safety glasses. (aka as birth control glasses)

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a nerd can totally be badass.
 
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