Banning 'To Kill a Mockingbird' teaches students the wrong lesson

christiefan915 said:
What do you mean by "allowed"? People will argue that he's right or wrong, it's all opinion.
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I should have put that word in quotes. I don't disagree with you that's it's a matter of opinion but in these politically and racially charged times can white people really step up to him and say he's wrong?
 
cawacko said:
I should have put that word in quotes. I don't disagree with you that's it's a matter of opinion but in these politically and racially charged times can white people really step up to him and say he's wrong?
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Did your friend read Mockingbird or is he going by hearsay? I don't think of it as whether people can say he's wrong because the book means different things to different people. I'd rather have a discussion and really listen to his negatives before commenting.

This is the best I can do cawacko. I don't see it as right or wrong.
 
Jack said:
I support people reading, especially young people. I'll ask you the same question as I did cawacko.

Do you think "The Hemingses of Monticello" should be required reading?

It's about Thomas Jefferson fucking his slave girl (and his wife's half sister) at 15, and having children by her ... and living together until his death.
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It sounds like a great book. I don't know if schools like stories that give the real scoop about historical figures, though. :)
 
christiefan915 said:
It sounds like a great book. I don't know if schools like stories that give the real scoop about historical figures, though. :)
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hahaha ... it's the real story alright. You can't make this stuff up.

Sally Hemmings, ... is the daughter of Martha's father (along with Martha). Does Martha even KNOW Sally is her half-sister?
Sally's Mother is the product of an African slave and a Sea Captain, so Sally is a Quadroon (one forth black).
After TJ's wife Martha dies, he hooks up with Sally. Does she look like his late wife Martha?
Sally, at 15, is in Paris with TJ. She ISN'T a 'slave' in France, she could have legally walked away, ... why didn't she?
At TJ's death, she was freed, but would routinely place flowers on his grave. What's up with that?

For every question that is answered, another one pops up that isn't.
 
Jack said:
hahaha ... it's the real story alright. You can't make this stuff up.

Sally Hemmings, ... is the daughter of Martha's father (along with Martha). Does Martha even KNOW Sally is her half-sister?
Sally's Mother is the product of an African slave and a Sea Captain, so Sally is a Quadroon (one forth black).
After TJ's wife Martha dies, he hooks up with Sally. Does she look like his late wife Martha?
Sally, at 15, is in Paris with TJ. She ISN'T a 'slave' in France, she could have legally walked away, ... why didn't she?
At TJ's death, she was freed, but would routinely place flowers on his grave. What's up with that?

For every question that is answered, another one pops up that isn't.
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If you want to see a real conservative freak-out, mention A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn.

A People's History of the United States is a 1980 non-fiction book by American historian and political scientist Howard Zinn. In the book, Zinn presented a different side of history from what he considered to be the more traditional "fundamental nationalist glorification of country."[SUP][1][/SUP] Zinn portrays a side of American history that can largely be seen as the exploitation and manipulation of the majority by rigged systems that hugely favor a small aggregate of elite rulers from across the orthodox political parties.
 
christiefan915 said:
If you want to see a real conservative freak-out, mention A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn.

A People's History of the United States is a 1980 non-fiction book by American historian and political scientist Howard Zinn. In the book, Zinn presented a different side of history from what he considered to be the more traditional "fundamental nationalist glorification of country."[SUP][1][/SUP] Zinn portrays a side of American history that can largely be seen as the exploitation and manipulation of the majority by rigged systems that hugely favor a small aggregate of elite rulers from across the orthodox political parties.
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A friend recommended that book to me, it's on my Book List, and I have no good valid reason why I haven't read it. (maybe YOUR recommendation will motivate me?) :)
 
christiefan915 said:
If you want to see a real conservative freak-out, mention A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn.

A People's History of the United States is a 1980 non-fiction book by American historian and political scientist Howard Zinn. In the book, Zinn presented a different side of history from what he considered to be the more traditional "fundamental nationalist glorification of country."[SUP][1][/SUP] Zinn portrays a side of American history that can largely be seen as the exploitation and manipulation of the majority by rigged systems that hugely favor a small aggregate of elite rulers from across the orthodox political parties.
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Yea...as you read, the guy is revealed as a self-loathing socialist. He does write about some parts of history that might make some uneasy, that are horrific, things that need to be told. But he does so with an agenda...an agenda opposite of the beliefs of the conservative American.
 
leaningright said:
Yea...as you read, the guy is revealed as a self-loathing socialist. He does write about some parts of history that might make some uneasy, that are horrific, things that need to be told. But he does so with an agenda...an agenda opposite of the beliefs of the conservative American.
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Yep. He comes from a very different perspective and most of is America is not good. She's not wrong to say it gets conservatives worked up but it's just a total different view of this country. Forget MAGA, America has never been great in his view.
 
Fwiw, the two books recommended by people to my friend for his son to read were Sag Harbor and the biography of Malcolm X. Adnittedly I had to look up Sag Harbor, wasn't familiar with it.
 
noise said:
political correctness and "sensitivity" rob the world of the complexity of language, and dumb down thought
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It is the decision of a school board in Mississippi - hardly a bastion of 'PC liberalism". And we all know that PC is used as code word for liberals run amuck.

Fundamentalist, bible thumping, socially conservative Christians could just as easily - and perhaps more plausibly - be motivated to ban books based on foul language, taking the lord's name in vain, et al., though I do not know the specifics of the case.

What I do know is that leaping to an unsubstantiated conclusion that this is all the fault of leftwing Kenyan-Marxists running amuck in deep Mississippi is not the first thing that would come to my mind.
 
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