CEO Bludgeoned To Death By Fired Workers

Crashk said:
I have 2 college age son's and we talk about how tough it is today to make enough money to stay in school. When I was their age I had 2 union jobs, United Steel Workers and the Teamsters. I made enough money to pay my own way thru college. It's much tougher now because of you diddo-headed traitors.
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That's got nothing to do with it. It's a higher skilled job market nowadays, even if you go in high union presence countries.
You are right about the cost though, education and healthcare have seen the steepest increases in price and guess what are the 2 biggest sectors where we've seen the greatest increase in government presence and regulation, why it's education and healthcare!
It's not a coincidence, the less government interferes, the less overhead you have and lower the cost.
 
KingCondanomation said:
That only works for you when the boot is red.
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you've turned you back on the very things that enabled your family to attain middle class status after WWII. You see any ideology that's not on the extreme radical right as communist or socialist. You are so far right that you cant see the middle and you cant see the economic slavery you support.

Am I a Marxist? No I don't believe in collectivism or communism. But I do believe in protecting the rights of American workers and world wide labor. Study some labor history.
 
Crashk said:
you've turned you back on the very things that enabled your family to attain middle class status after WWII.
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Lessee on my mother's side my grandfather (who is the person I admire most) was self-employed his entire life and owned everything from a dance hall, to a meat slaughterhouse to doing 2nd mortgages (which was his main business), NO unions.
On my Dad's side, they were part time farmers who worked in a family run wood business.
My Mom was self employed mostly and my Dad has never worked for or been in a union. Neither have I.
I don't need unions to protect me from anything, if a job is bad, I get a different one, just like if an employee is bad, the company is free to lay them off and hire someone else if and when they see fit.

BOTH parties have the same right to terminate their employment agreement.

Crashk said:
You see any ideology that's not on the extreme radical right as communist or socialist. You are so far right that you cant see the middle and you cant see the economic slavery you support.
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No I see Liberals as being Socialists in slow motion.
If you disagree, then I offer this test to prove me wrong. Simply tell me when you would stop growing government. Would it be after universal healthcare, after universal collegecare? State me your SPECIFIC limits on at what point you would stop growing government. I've never seen one single Liberal do this yet, hence why I am suspicious of how left they really are.

Crashk said:
Am I a Marxist? No I don't believe in collectivism or communism. But I do believe in protecting the rights of American workers and world wide labor. Study some labor history.
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Just asked because you quoted the guy.
 
KingCondanomation said:
That's got nothing to do with it. It's a higher skilled job market nowadays, even if you go in high union presence countries.
You are right about the cost though, education and healthcare have seen the steepest increases in price and guess what are the 2 biggest sectors where we've seen the greatest increase in government presence and regulation, why it's education and healthcare!
It's not a coincidence, the less government interferes, the less overhead you have and lower the cost.
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yeah the hich tech high silled jobs are being outsourced.

high tech pay has at best remianed stagnant since 2000. and mostly dropped.
 
uscitizen said:
A corresponding rise in personal debt.
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True but even those without debt are living far better. Let's not blame irresponsible PERSONAL spending on rates of unionization. The 2 have nothing to do with each other.

If anything our own terrible government has set a bad example with spending into debt.
 
uscitizen said:
yeah the hich tech high silled jobs are being outsourced.

high tech pay has at best remianed stagnant since 2000. and mostly dropped.
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The outsourcing bogeyman worked a little in 2004, that dog don't bite this election.

Didn't you just receive a big raise a little while back?
My pay has gone up, not like it did in the boom of course but it's done ok.
 
KingCondanomation said:
True but even those without debt are living far better. Let's not blame irresponsible PERSONAL spending on rates of unionization. The 2 have nothing to do with each other.

If anything our own terrible government has set a bad example with spending into debt.
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LOL of course they are, pretty much the only ones without debt are pretty well off.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Lessee on my mother's side my grandfather (who is the person I admire most) was self-employed his entire life and owned everything from a dance hall, to a meat slaughterhouse to doing 2nd mortgages (which was his main business), NO unions.
On my Dad's side, they were part time farmers who worked in a family run wood business.
My Mom was self employed mostly and my Dad has never worked for or been in a union. Neither have I.
I don't need unions to protect me from anything, if a job is bad, I get a different one, just like if an employee is bad, the company is free to lay them off and hire someone else if and when they see fit.

BOTH parties have the same right to terminate their employment agreement.

No I see Liberals as being Socialists in slow motion.
If you disagree, then I offer this test to prove me wrong. Simply tell me when you would stop growing government. Would it be after universal healthcare, after universal collegecare? State me your SPECIFIC limits on at what point you would stop growing government. I've never seen one single Liberal do this yet, hence why I am suspicious of how left they really are.


Just asked because you quoted the guy.
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So your family has been in small business, excellent. With small business you can hire and fire a couple of employees who aren't unionized at will if they are dumb enough to go to work for you. So be it. I agree. But I've seen what huge employers have tried to do to workers and it was a damned good thing the workers were unionized and had some control of production, otherwise they would be nothing more than slaves.

When would I quit growing the govt? WTF. When there's a level playing field and living wages for all labor and when conservative, neo-con ideology is a footnote in history. Universal healthcare, yes, universal education, yes. Tariffs on foreign products yes. Strong military, yes. The govt. will stop growing by itself when it starts representing the people and stops representing corporate profits.
 
Crashk said:
So your family has been in small business, excellent. With small business you can hire and fire a couple of employees who aren't unionized at will if they are dumb enough to go to work for you. So be it. I agree. But I've seen what huge employers have tried to do to workers and it was a damned good thing the workers were unionized and had some control of production, otherwise they would be nothing more than slaves.
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Well I was in high tech with the crash, one company I was in had more than a 50% layoff. We all found jobs, a few slightly longer than others and life went on.
People are not dumb when they go to work for anyone, they are doing what is in their best interest and they are doing it freely. If the job sucks, then the company has higher turnover and by the market is persuaded to make it better.
Slavery means forced labor for no return in capital, the only thing that resembles that is government.

Crashk said:
When would I quit growing the govt? WTF. When there's a level playing field and living wages for all labor and when conservative, neo-con ideology is a footnote in history. Universal healthcare, yes, universal education, yes. Tariffs on foreign products yes. Strong military, yes. The govt. will stop growing by itself when it starts representing the people and stops representing corporate profits.
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So after there is universal healthcare, education and tariffs on foreign products THEN you swear you will not grow government another bit? Remember I did say be SPECIFIC. "Level playing field" and "living wages" are lefty weasel words for a blank check for government to do whatever for as long as it wants to achieve those vague utopian ideals.
 
when you found new jobs, did they pay as good as the old one did ?
As good of benefits ?

yeah Wal mart and burger joints hire around here too.
 
uscitizen said:
when you found new jobs, did they pay as good as the old one did ?
As good of benefits ?

yeah Wal mart and burger joints hire around here too.
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Yes, each of the 3 new jobs I have gotten since the old one have paid better.
I have NEVER stumbled upon some old colleague at a Burger King or Walmart. That one was always BS.
 
Hey wait I thought your folks were private business owners ?
Whats with all this moving around ?
Did you sell hot tubs at carnavals or something ?

Maybe I misread the post, going back.
 
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