:0) Unbeknownst to you, I'm trying to help you out. Seriously. You're making yourself look like a complete fool.
Clinton ran against a reality show host, ineffective clownish buffoon, and embarrassment to this nation .. whom YOU voted for. So your advice is that I shouldn't have voted for anyone with a chance to beat that abomination? That's your advice.
i wasn't advising you, i was criticizing you,because Hillary prosecuted/advocated/organized the world against Qaddafi. She was the "51%" reason ( Gates used the word 'voice) that swayed Obama. There is no doubt on this. even the NYTimes agrees
Hillary Clinton,‘Smart Power’ and a Dictator’s Fall
The president was wary. The secretary of state was persuasive. But the ouster of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi
left Libya a failed state and a terrorist haven.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?_r=0
if you say Sanders .. he would not have beaten Trump. Republicans did everything they could to get Clinton out and Sanders in .. where they had research on him that would have killed his campaign. I've known some of it for years .. you didn't.
I seem to remember sanders having better poll numbers against Trump.
One of the main reasons Hillary won was because of the corrupt DNC,and the superdelegates
without going back and doing a full postmortum, it's clear the deck was stacked against Bernie.
Bernie had the enthusiasm.Clinton's poll numbers were soft. One reason she lost was a known liar serial liar about her Emails explanation.
Aside from Libya there was Iraq, and Syria by Hillary. she is a known neo-con quantity.
Supporting her was an attempt to put a known warmongering neo-con in the WH.
Additionally, when I discovered what was really going on in Libya, I was the first and loudest voice on this board standing against it. When I discovered the truth of the Viagra rape story, and Hillary Clinton's involvement, I was the first and loudest voice here against it. This was a war and atrocity that my side of the fence was responsible for .. yet I stood against it as firmly as I have the wars that your side is responsible for. Your bullshit about me being a neocon borders on the stupid.
and I was right there with you, not just on the Viagra rape, but the fact the NTC had direct link to LIFG -a designated international terrorist organization.
Also there was the weapons flow to Syria. .
Knowing all this-living all this when we were digging into Libya- you chose to support a neocon for POTUS? Incredible.
Additionally, during the campaign Trump promised to increase military spending .. and YOU voted for him and that increase that YOU now try to use against me. :0)
increased military spending to create a stealth navy is mostly for China and worldwide power projection.
The F-35 is a big expense for the Pentagon.
Trump jawboned that costs down by about 6% ( next production run).
In addition Sequester literally robbed the military of readiness. So much of this increase of spending is needed to rebuild.
My quarrel with you is your advocacy of Cold War 2 spending
in Europe; this idea that we should outspend Putin to win. It's one very real reason Putin is deploying tactical nukes-
Iskander &
SSC-8
Do you think it's going to cause the collapse of Russia like Cold War 1 spending caused the collapse of the Soviet Union? It wont. ( if you want reasons I'll give them to you).
What it does do is needlessly cause us to militarize which increase tensions when there is no evidence increased spending/militarizaion does anything to add to security..
Look what Putin just did under the Obama adm's increased spending ( European Reassurance Initiative).
Moreover look at the brinksmanship it involves:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Reassurance_Initiative
This initiative will enable DoD to:
Continue conducting military exercises and training on land, in the air and at sea, while
sustaining a rotational presence across Europe in support of Operation Atlantic Resolve;
As we have done in
Poland, deploy detachments of U.S. planners to
augment the capability
of our Allies to design and host a broad range of training opportunities;
Increase the responsiveness of U.S. forces to reinforce NATO by exploring initiatives such
as prepositioning of equipment and enhancing reception facilities in Europe;
Increase participation by the U.S. Navy in NATO naval force deployments, including more
persistent deployments to the Black and Baltic seas;
Build the capacity of
close partners such as Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine to enhance
interoperability to work alongside the United States and NATO forces, as well as provide for
their own defense.
https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/f...peration_Atlantic_Resolve_Fact_Sheet_2014.pdf
do you get it? we keep militarizing border states, and the Black Sea- right next to Putin!
It's the SAME THING we did with NATO expansion!
I've clearly said that the US and NATO are so far ahead of Russia's military spending that they can maintain that advantage on current expenditures for the military.
no one is saying we not not continue to spend,
the objection is beefing up NATO spending for a (costly) false sense of security.
And if we do spend we should look towards deal making with Putin. all this increased spending hasn't done anything to contain Putin, anymore then sanctions have helped change his behavior.
Trump's one meeting has caused the implementation of a cease fire in Syria - more progress towards peace then all the Syrian rebels Obama/CIA funded in his years in Office, while Hilary was advocating for arming the rebels too
Why America's missile defense systems are the best in the world
http://www.businessinsider.com/top-...rminal-high-altitude-area-defense-aka-thaad-1
We also helped design the Israeli systems.
I'm all for military spending increases in defensive missile systems.
I'm good with ABM systems too. although the one in Romania is a threat to Russia ( since it could be fitted with offensive weapons as well) in this phantom response to Iranian ICBM's
Additionally ..
James 'Mad Dog' Mattis - Neocon
Michael T. Flynn - Neocon
John Bolton - Neocon
Elliot Abrams - Neocon
All have Trump's ear.
I don't think Elliot Abrams is in Trump's gov't?
When Trump starts to advocate neocon behavior like Clinton, or not wanting to talk to Putin like Obama -you may have a point. Now you don't . Trump has advocated getting long w/Russia
Seems you have no problem with Trump talking to neocons .. and you're the guy who started this thread about democrats doing it.
Trump is trying to figure out Afghanistan. He sure as hell isn't going to do a "surge" like Obama did, or Hillary promised.
The neocons have made inroads into your party, and have effected policy. They haven't with Trump as of yet despite the Russiaphobia from Dems
