Do you think that Gore will run?

Care4all said:
He had been introduced by a friend to a Kennedy family member and was on a date with her....

Kennedy was a Harvard man and made a comment to Kerry, to be at ease and not to worry that he was a "lesser", Yale man.....or something humorous like that.... there were 6 to 8 others on the boat and that was basically the extent of their lengthy relationship....

Kerry's family was upper middle class.....a GREAT Aunt paid for his education, not even an Aunt, but at a farther distance in relations, a Great Aunt.

Becuase of her, he had the opportunity to be well educated and to run in higher circles through aquaintances I would suppose....

He worked through all years of college for his own spending money and perhaps for books.

He was fortunate enough to know the lifestyle of the middle class and the lifestyle of the rich and famous through distant family members....
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I understand the myth attached there Care.. However I also understand the reality. He ran in circles that I do not... This is a man who had the right connections to get where he aimed. Why do people think that it is an attack when people say that?
 
Look. I don't think being rich is a crime at all. So the whole Bush was RICH thing bothers me not at all. I don't think it is a crime for your father to work for the Kennedys and to have some access that others do not.. I can't see why this is bad. The man had connections. So do many others out there.
 
Damocles said:
I understand the myth attached there Care.. However I also understand the reality. He ran in circles that I do not... This is a man who had the right connections to get where he aimed. Why do people think that it is an attack when people say that?
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maybe....because of why you felt the need to show "your card" by calling what I said a "myth"....? Your mind is made up, regardless, right, and what I said was a "myth"???


lol ;)

care
 
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Did kerry grow up, upper middle class, and have advantages that many others did not? Yes.

Compared to bush, did Kerry grow up in a blue blood, elistist family? No.

That's the myth though. That bush is some kind of plain-spoken, down-home good old boy. And that kerry is a blue blood, thurston howell the third elitists.

The only difference I can see, is that Kerry took advantage of his ivy league education, and speaks and talks like he was educated in the ivy league. Bush? Not so much.
 
Care4all said:
maybe....because of why you felt the need to show "your card" by calling what I said a "myth"....? Your mind is made up, regardless, right, and what I said was a "myth"???


lol ;)

care
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The "myth" I talk about is the "he was introduced" it is an attempt to get rid of the fact that he wouldn't even be in those circles to be introduced if it wasn't for the family connections... It is an attempt to deny the "connections" and make it some innocent little foray into dating... Thus "myth" rather than reality. The reality is, he wouldn't have met this person without running in the right circles, to say otherwise it to employ denial.
 
Besides the lack of ability to get enough votes, or (maybe he did ;) ), is what I am upset with Kerry on....

I pretty much agree with all of his congressional votes and his reason's behind them....

just so you know where I am coming from..... hahahaha!

:D

care

P.S. And I am proud that he is my senator... :P:P:P
 
Damocles said:
Look. I don't think being rich is a crime at all. So the whole Bush was RICH thing bothers me not at all. I don't think it is a crime for your father to work for the Kennedys and to have some access that others do not.. I can't see why this is bad. The man had connections. So do many others out there.
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I agree being rich is NOT a crime, still its important to see that in America, "the land of oppertunity", a very very small percentage of those who are not born rich become rich or as powerfull as Bush or Kerry.

That being said, if being rich were a crime, Kerry would be serving 15 to 20 while Bush would have gotten a life sentence at birth.
 
Damocles said:
The "myth" I talk about is the "he was introduced" it is an attempt to get rid of the fact that he wouldn't even be in those circles to be introduced if it wasn't for the family connections... It is an attempt to deny the "connections" and make it some innocent little foray into dating... Thus "myth" rather than reality. The reality is, he wouldn't have met this person without running in the right circles, to say otherwise it to employ denial.
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True...IF you look at the fact that he was attending Yale because of a great aunt's money...which his where he befriended a guy that knew a kennedy girl that he wanted to set Kerry up with....who was also one of the passengers on the "salil boat" ride with John Kennedy steering it...

But to IMPLY that he met John Kennedy because of his father's or direct family is outright false.

care
 
Jarod said:
I agree being rich is NOT a crime, still its important to see that in America, "the land of oppertunity", a very very small percentage of those who are not born rich become rich or as powerfull as Bush or Kerry.

That being said, if being rich were a crime, Kerry would be serving 15 to 20 while Bush would have gotten a life sentence at birth.
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Nah, Kerry would have gotten the Death Penalty when he married Billions.... LOL. Denying that he is one of the richest ever to run for President is simply denial. "It's all his wife's money!" ignores the fact that he has access to the benefits of that money too.
 
Care4all said:
True...IF you look at the fact that he was attending Yale because of a great aunt's money...which his where he befriended a guy that knew a kennedy girl that he wanted to set Kerry up with....who was also one of the passengers on the "salil boat" ride with John Kennedy steering it...

But to IMPLY that he met John Kennedy because of his father's or direct family is outright false.

care
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Like I said, it is part of the myth. He "befriended" the guy because he was introduced through other family connections. You keep trying to weasel out of the fact that, even at Yale, they likely wouldn't have met without those connections. Many people go to Yale without meeting such great connections...

It's all good to let the family myth-writers go and rewrite the connections out of it all. It isn't so good to ignore them because you want to admire him so bad and you think connections are somehow "evil". I'm not the one that looks poorly on people because they have connections... It seems that it is somebody else that feels the need to write the connections out of the story.
 
Damocles said:
Nah, Kerry would have gotten the Death Penalty when he married Billions.... LOL. Denying that he is one of the richest ever to run for President is simply denial. "It's all his wife's money!" ignores the fact that he has access to the benefits of that money too.
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I dont think the Heinz have any more money than the Bushes... But I dont know for sure.
 
Jarod said:
I dont think the Heinz have any more money than the Bushes... But I dont know for sure.
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Oh, they do. Bush's family is in the hundreds of millions.. Heinz is in the Billions... Also the direct connect helps... ;)
 
Damocles said:
Like I said, it is part of the myth. He "befriended" the guy because he was introduced through other family connections. You keep trying to weasel out of the fact that, even at Yale, they likely wouldn't have met without those connections. Many people go to Yale without meeting such great connections...

It's all good to let the family myth-writers go and rewrite the connections out of it all. It isn't so good to ignore them because you want to admire him so bad and you think connections are somehow "evil". I'm not the one that looks poorly on people because they have connections... It seems that it is somebody else that feels the need to write the connections out of the story.
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noooo, I thought he befriended the guy at his college, he was a college buddy of his, not at a family function through connections of his father or family?
 
Care4all said:
noooo, I thought he befriended the guy at his college, he was a college buddy of his, not at a family function through connections of his father of family?
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Right, the "myth" that I was talking about.

Reality probably went more along these lines. Fathers got to talking about who was going there...

Father 1: My boy is going to Yale...

Father 2: So is mine! We should make sure they meet!

Father 1: I'll talk to my boy...

Father 2: So will I! Now let's go have a drink!

(Or something less direct but of the same meaning) ;)

It's really okay there Care, if you want to believe the myth you can. It is only a coincidence that Kerry's father worked for Kennedy, knew many people that knew him, and his son met a Kennedy friend at Yale. If that's what you want to believe then you can. I prefer to look at reality a little differently, without the family myth-writer deleting the connections portion of the story...
 
Jarod said:
I dont think the Heinz have any more money than the Bushes... But I dont know for sure.
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John Kerry DOES NOT have access to ANY of the Heinz family money...In fact, when he needed to use his own money for his election, when it was in trouble, he had to take a home equity loan on the house that he owned with Teresa and could only borrow on 1/2 the value of it because Terresa owned the other half....

He had no BANK ACCOUNT filled with wealth to use....or money from joint accounts with Terresa to use....

:confused:
 
Care4all said:
John Kerry DOES NOT have access to ANY of the Heinz family money...In fact, when he needed to use his own money for his election, when it was in trouble, he had to take a home equity loan on the house that he owned with Teresa and could only borrow on 1/2 the value of it because Terresa owned the other half....

He had no BANK ACCOUNT filled with wealth to use....or money from joint accounts with Terresa to use....

:confused:
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He didn't have access to the money for the campaign. That makes sense. But to say he has no access whatsoever to any of the benefits of that money denies that he lives with, and is married to, a Billionaire...
 
Damocles said:
He didn't have access to the money for the campaign. That makes sense. But to say he has no access whatsoever to any of the benefits of that money denies that he lives with, and is married to, a Billionaire...
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Oh, he most certainly has access to the priveledges of the wealthiest, being married to her....

as she had access to the wealthiest when she married in to the Heinz Family...

Even Barbara Pierce Bush comes from the "elite" and Bush 1 more than likely met HER because of his family's and her family's elite connections....
 
I believe Gore will run if there is a grass roots movement for him that grows quickly amongst Democrats. In other words a Draft Gore movement. I think his ego will demand it. Now dont get me wrong.., theres Nothing wrong with him thinking this way... I just believe he'll want assurance that he is the man.

Let me touch base on what Cypress said .... he thinks Gore wil want to devote all his time to his passion .. that being "Global Warming". I believe he can do more by becoming President.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again, a Gore/Warner ticket will be unbeatable.

Twin Towers from the South .. sound familiar?
 
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