TexasMeg
the observer
LOL $250 credit will NEVER cover what a teacher spends yearly...and $250 is the limit one can claim.
Education
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LOL $250 credit will NEVER cover what a teacher spends yearly...and $250 is the limit one can claim.
False dichotomies and strawmen. It's not binary.
I am not for throwing more money at education. But money spent there is good. It's not the money, it's the system.
I am totally against war spending. Only spending on basic defense is of any value.
Money in anybody's pocket is honest if they've gotten it through the free choices of their employers/customers.
Uh huh, translation "our customers are too stupid to be trusted with judging product quality." Big part of what's wrong with education in this system.
And the lifestyle of security. This is a primary motivating factor of those who enter government and heavily unionized industries.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
TexasMeg
the observer
Most right out of school don't enter teaching because they are motivated by the lifestyle of security, but because they are idealistic and want to make a difference. It's those that STAY in it that are motivated by that lifestyle. The others become too frustrated by the system in general. In Texas the majority of new teachers leave the profession for another field completely within the first 5 yrs. The focus needs to be the retention of quality teachers and not just the luring in.
cawacko
Well-known member
You are a lot off there my brother.
Paying teachers more money is not bad. Putting money into education is not bad. What IS disturbing is the quality of our education system and how it is not improving. Thus the call for changes other than just money. You're a smart man I know you can understand that. Ideology may make you think one way but deep down you know our system needs improvement.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I don't disagree with you on some points .. however, better money attracts better people. Would you want to live on a teachers salary? . I don't.
It's not just salaries but the conditions of our schools mirrors the condition of our infrastructure. Both is desperate shape.
If education is our priority, then money shouldn't be the obstacle.
I agree the system needs change and although I have a reaction to vouchers, I'm open to the idea put forth by Obama on their use .. which preserves the importance of public education.
What I posted about their pay how it is backended and increases over time. However, her link only shows what happens if all things remain equal. Most that remain get higher degrees, make even more money.
It also didn't include back end pay. Their retirement programs are almost invariably better than those of us in the private sector. It is based on how long you stick with it though.
Now as for how they decide what the lowest pay is, it is contractual. A percentage of all pay goes to those who are starting, this increases over time. What ends up happening, is those longer in the union (that endured the low pay) invariably are the ones making and debating new contracts. The reason the NEA always wants us to believe teachers are so under paid is that if we increase the budget enough to get the new teachers paid well, their pay increases as well as it is based no percentages of budgeted pay by contract.
Money spend on education is good, however wise people ensure that they are not throwing good money after bad. Increase the money we spend on education, based on results and merit.
Depends on the war.
Nobody said this, this is a negative extrapolation based on a stereotyped belief system.
Nobody said this either, see: "Nobody said this, this is a negative extrapolation based on a stereotyped belief system."
The difference he offers is no more than many have offered before. I call that repetition.
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Is this supposed to mean something or is it as empty as your usual posts and head.
Yes, you have a good point there. The system weeds out those motivated by good things and leaves only those interested in security. Big corps are often similar.
Nope, what I have been saying all along and what you fail to understand, is that the pay for performance is key. I have no problem increasing starting pay. But without fundamental change in the ways teachers are evaluated, given raises and FIRED if necessary, then this will achieve nothing significant.
Topspin
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Then yes we are on the same page, except if we just do as you want were fucked for decades.
You have to raised the pay to get better than shitwaiste applying, and of course pay for performance.
But pay for performance enforcing toughness from a dogshit salary can be more negative than positive.
You have to raised the pay to get better than shitwaiste applying, and of course pay for performance.
But pay for performance enforcing toughness from a dogshit salary can be more negative than positive.
Education is one of many priorities and therefore money is always an obstacle to some extent. However, I don't think money is the primary obstacle, but rather a socialized education system is.
I am for testing out the left's healthcare plans in education. Let's implement a single payer education system (and otherwise remove government from the system) and see how things work.
$40 an hour isnt really shitty.. its just that its part time work.
Do you think that is happening out of college or do you agree with TexasMeg that the best are dropping out after getting abused by the socialized system?