Evolution vs Creationism---Is there a God? Or is it all just random chance?

[domer76]

Almost as feckless as your Messiah, Obama.

What a sad, flaccid, diversionary attempt.

Equally as flaccid as your fake god.

 

[Sirthinksalot]

What a sad, flaccid, diversionary attempt.

Equally as flaccid as your fake god.

I've been an atheist for decades, chump. Jeebus was just a man. Too bad you can't acknowledge the same about your Messiah.

 

[domer76]

I've been an atheist for decades, chump. Jeebus was just a man. Too bad you can't acknowledge the same about your Messiah.

Sorry, cunt. I have no messiah.

And you're still flaccid.

 

[Sirthinksalot]

Sorry, cunt. I have no messiah.

And you're still flaccid.

Obama is your Messiah.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm definitely a creationist at heart. I believe that God is real, Jesus is the son of God. Humans are chained to a lie because that is the desire of our enemy. Satan has made his kingdom here on earth and has great influence over the human race. As evidenced in the garden of Eden, he caused the fall of humanity, the turn away from God and this is how "death" entered into our vocabulary.​

In reference to evolution, its still just a theory. For one there are no transition forms in the fossil record. For another 99% of all mutations are bad. Evolution is a mathematical impossibility when you sit down and look at the odds.​

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For example, if evolution were true, what is the deal with all the fraudulent fossils? Surely there would be no need to "fake" the missing links between species, yet this seems to be a re-occurring theme that evolutionists cannot escape from.​

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Please share you views on this, I am eager to gain in insight and knowledge and that is exactly what this thread is about. I don't want this to turn into a political pissing match. Let's not mock or demean, simply list your argument and your evidence and debate your points as you see fit.

Good luck and God speed!​

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The Theory of Evolution is an old one. The Theory of Abiogenesis is fairly old also. Almost as old as the Theory of Creation. None of it is science. I happen to believe in the Theory of Creation, just as you do.

 

[Into the Night]

shit just happens is a silly scientific theory......

Not a scientific theory at all, obviously.

 

[Into the Night]

So this is a philosophical discussion and not a scientific one?

Neither. A religious discussion.

The reason I ask that is your use of the term theory in the colloquial sense and not the scientific one as there is no such thing as “just a theory” in science.

A theory is simply an explanatory argument. Nothing says a theory has to be a scientific one. A theory of science is one that is falsifiable.

If the discussion is a philosophical one, and I have no problem with that, then I would ask why create a false dichotomy?

This is a common conflation between the Theory of Evolution and the Theory of Abiogenesis. It occurs because belief in one often includes the other, and both are claimed to be science, when they are not.

One can believe in both and not be contradictory to each other.

Quite right. The Theory of Evolution and the Theory of Creation are compatible with each other. The Theory of Abiogenesis and the Theory of Creation are mutually exclusive of each other. One or both MUST be false.

Now if you’re trying to conflate creationism with science well there’s not much room for discussion there.

True. A theory of science MUST be falsifiable. There is no test of the null hypothesis available for the Theory of Creation, the Theory of Evolution, or the Theory of Abiogenesis. The only way to test any of these theories is to go back in time to see what actually happened.

You’re just simply wrong. Creationism by definition is not nor can it be considered science.

He is not claiming it is science.

Now philosophically that doesn’t necessarily mean creationism is wrong. It just isn’t science.

This is actually logic, not philosophy. The definition of a theory comes from logic. You are, however, quite right. The Theory of Creation is not science. Science has no theories about past unobserved events.

 

[Into the Night]

The premise of your thread is bogus, full of misinformation, and you attempt to present a false choice.

I have personally run across literally thousands of people who accept the scientific tenets of evolution while maintaining their Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, or Hindu faith

The Theory of Evolution is not science. It is a religion, like any other. It is based on an initial circular argument and has arguments extending from it...an excellent definition for any religion, speaking from philosophy.

 

[Into the Night]

What's the point of tempting man? Some kind of divine amusement?

No. Satan actually has a purpose. If we are to know good, we must know evil. These two concepts are related. How can one know what is good without knowing what is evil?
It is the tempting by Satan that teaches man the difference, else we would never know the difference.

 

[Into the Night]

?

So this god puts tempting things in front of us, and if we partake, we fail and are punished?

If a human parent did that, we'd call it child abuse.

Our punishment comes out of own choosing. We are free to choose. We are not free of the consequences of that choice.

A child learning undergoes the same thing. Mistakes will be made. The child learns from them. A parent is there so the child does not make an error so great as to destroy himself. Experience is the best teacher.

 

[Into the Night]

That is exactly the reply I would expect from someone who is in denial that there is a higher authority than man. Many things test us on our desire for something, why not the creator? All I can say is if I'm right you lose everything and I gain everything but if I'm wrong I lose nothing.

If you are wrong, you lost the time and possibly more than you want to lose, depending on how wrong you are. Yet, you have the ability to repent of that error, change your ways, advance in your knowledge between good and evil, and work to return to God, now the wiser.

 

[Into the Night]

So for Creationist it boils down to put up or shut up. Either provide us with a model that works or be ignored by science. The choice is yours.

Science has nothing to do with the Theory of Creation, the Theory of Evolution, or the Theory of Abiogenesis.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

To think that the human race all started with Adam and Eve is to admit that our race started out as inbred idiots that had incest with Mom, Sis, Granny, and Auntie-roo!!

Brilliant!

 

[USFREEDOM911]

No. Satan actually has a purpose. If we are to know good, we must know evil. These two concepts are related. How can one know what is good without knowing what is evil?
It is the tempting by Satan that teaches man the difference, else we would never know the difference.

Spot on.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Our punishment comes out of own choosing. We are free to choose. We are not free of the consequences of that choice.

A child learning undergoes the same thing. Mistakes will be made. The child learns from them. A parent is there so the child does not make an error so great as to destroy himself. Experience is the best teacher.

And sometimes the parent has to allow the child to make those errors or else, now is the child to understand.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

To think that the human race all started with Adam and Eve is to admit that our race started out as inbred idiots that had incest with Mom, Sis, Granny, and Auntie-roo!!

Brilliant!

This is just you lying; but while I can explain it to you, I can't make you understand.

 

[Cypress]

The Theory of Evolution is not science. It is a religion, like any other. It is based on an initial circular argument and has arguments extending from it...an excellent definition for any religion, speaking from philosophy.

Evolution by natural selection is on a par with general relativity and quantum mechanics as the most tested, most validated, and most broadly accepted scientific theories in the history of science. They are so thoroughly validated by testing that collectively they have attained the status of scientific tenets.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

This is just you lying; but while I can explain it to you, I can't make you understand.

Splain LUCY!

 

[Into the Night]

Evolution by natural selection is on a par with general relativity and quantum mechanics as the most tested, most validated, and most broadly accepted scientific theories in the history of science.

The Theory of Natural Selection was a theory of science, until it was falsified by a thought experiment. The Theory of Evolution is not falsifiable. There is no way to test it except by going back in time to see what actually happened.

They are so thoroughly validated by testing that collectively they have attained the status of scientific tenets.

Nope. No test is available for the Theory of Evolution.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

To think that the human race all started with Adam and Eve is to admit that our race started out as inbred idiots that had incest with Mom, Sis, Granny, and Auntie-roo!!

Brilliant!

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