Fifty Years Ago Today....

Gonzomin said:
This was Pittsburgh before we figured out something had to be done. https://www.citylab.com/design/2012...hen-it-decided-it-had-pollution-problem/2185/ There are lots of cities like this in China. Without regulations and laws, this is what the wealthy will do.
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You're absolutely right. We all remember what the air in Beijing looked like during the 2008 Olympics. My dad used to have to go to Pittsburgh for conferences in the 40s and 50s. They were told to stay indoors as much as possible. When he would come home, the white dress shirts he left with were gray.
 
Cypress said:
Owl already pointed out that water resources cross state lines.
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So what? None of you leftists want to answer the question. What States want dirty water and why can't they manage it without Federal interference?

Hell, our Government can't even do something as simple as preventing illegal crossings thanks to the Party of thew Jackass. The notion that they can manage healthcare and water resources are laughably inane.

How about the Army Corps of Engineers and all the damage they have done trying to control rivers and allow people to build in areas they would never think of building in?

This notion that the Federal Government should be involved in every facet of society is not one that works and is not how this great Republic became the most prosperous and powerful nation on the planet.

Cypress said:
Additionally, the States still do 90 percent of all environmental regulation. That has not changed.
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Another great reason we don't need the Federal Government involved. Thank you.

Cypress said:
Moreover, there needs to be a single, baseline national standard to prevent a race to the bottom. States are free to adopt their own standards as performance objectives as long as they are not less stringent that the federal standard.
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Why? How does this prevent States from ignoring Federal regulations?
 
rjhenn said:
Truth Deflector has been on my ignore list for quite some time now. The bits that others quote from him make it clear that that's just where he belongs.
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Cry harder snowflake. We get it; you prefer your echo chamber and group speak. It keeps you comfortably ignorant. ;)
 
Bill said:
What were the other choices???

as the story goes on~ maybe it wasn't quite as bad as "WE RECALL"~the myth, :dunno: there was a problem & they got it fixed..
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the issues were already being fixed long before the EPA. As the article explains - the reason this fire was such a big deal is because fires were becoming rare on water - when they used to be commonplace.
 
zymurgy said:
the government failing to protect us for so long isn't the feel good story some make it out to be.

Few will ever read it - but it's out there
https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/faculty_publications/191/
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Great read; facts are never convenient for the liars on the left.

Told in greater detail, the story of the Cuyahoga casts doubt on the conventional justifications for the federal environmental controls enacted in the fire’s wake. The river did catch fire in 1969 – or, more properly, oil and debris floating on the river’s surface caught fire – but this was not clearly due to state and local malfeasance or a failure of common law protections. And, while federal intervention likely did accelerate river cleanup in many parts of the country, there are still reasons to question the federal government’s record with regard to the Cuyahoga, and river quality generally.

This article is not intended as a comprehensive treatment of the federalization of environmental protection, or even a complete history of the pressures that led to the enactment of the Clean Water Act. Nor does it provide an extensive comparison of federal regulation and other policy alternatives. Rather this article is an exploration of the nature of the choices our nation has made in environmental law guided by events on and around a single river. The aim is to provide additional perspective to the questions of institutional choice which underlie environmental policy, and to suggest that the decision to reallocate primary authority over water quality to the federal government was neither inevitable nor an unmitigated blessing.15
 
Truth Detector said:
So what? None of you leftists want to answer the question. What States want dirty water and why can't they manage it without Federal interference?

Hell, our Government can't even do something as simple as preventing illegal crossings thanks to the Party of thew Jackass. The notion that they can manage healthcare and water resources are laughably inane.

How about the Army Corps of Engineers and all the damage they have done trying to control rivers and allow people to build in areas they would never think of building in?

This notion that the Federal Government should be involved in every facet of society is not one that works and is not how this great Republic became the most prosperous and powerful nation on the planet.



Another great reason we don't need the Federal Government involved. Thank you.



Why? How does this prevent States from ignoring Federal regulations?
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yes fritzy because we all know that polluted water and air says within each states boarders!! :palm:
 
guno said:
yes fritzy because we all know that polluted water and air says within each states boarders!! :palm:
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Ahhh, the poor insignificant race hustling insect lying again; I can't say I am surprised. Keep crying race hustler; I bathe in your pathetic tears and whiny bullshit.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
The parental units took us on a three-week trip out West in 1969. I remember the Truckee River, how clear and cold and beautiful it was. And Lake Tahoe, too. Nothing like the filthy brown sludge that we called the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers back home. Sometimes we would see someone pulled off on the side of the road, fly-fishing in the Truckee. Do they still do that?
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I've gone to Lake Tahoe basically every summer since the mid '80's. Heading up there next week for the 4th. It is a beautiful and amazing place. And yes the water is still, pardon my French, balls cold. And yes people will still fly fish in the Truckee.
 
zymurgy said:
the issues were already being fixed long before the EPA. As the article explains - the reason this fire was such a big deal is because fires were becoming rare on water - when they used to be commonplace.
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I asked WHAT WERE THE OTHER CHOICES???? Do nothing??:rolleyes:

The article AKA the opinion piece gives his opinion, w/out any supporting documentation that I see?? You see some there??

Anyway, I don't care much if they were becoming rare-one is to fucking many aint it?? Who is gonna fix the problem???

There was huge problems w/ our environment, this incident was merely one of many, & a catalyst for change, a reason for action, thank God both parties joined hands & did something about it..........

IMHO niXon was an SOB & a crook, liar etc but on this he was presidential..............
 
cawacko said:
I've gone to Lake Tahoe basically every summer since the mid '80's. Heading up there next week for the 4th. It is a beautiful and amazing place. And yes the water is still, pardon my French, balls cold. And yes people will still fly fish in the Truckee.
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Way to crowded weekend, & because you bay area ppl all decide to make your pilgrimage to the lake-STAY HOME, enjoy the city...... :whome:

Where you going to watch the fireworks from??
 
Bill said:
Way to crowded weekend, & because you bay area ppl all decide to make your pilgrimage to the lake-STAY HOME, enjoy the city...... :whome:

Where you going to watch the fireworks from??
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Hahahaha. We just watch them from our place, we're near Tahoe City.
 
cawacko said:
Hahahaha. We just watch them from our place, we're near Tahoe City.
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Can you see the fireworks @ south shore as well?? From southshore we could see Kings beach Tahoe city as well as SLT.... Nice seeing them over the water & the reflections.... Other than that I am tired of fireworks.......

This year I will have the grandDog for 10 days & he hates fireworks....... So we will have loud music & share a beer & hopefully he sleeps through the night..
 
Bill said:
Can you see the fireworks @ south shore as well?? From southshore we could see Kings beach Tahoe city as well as SLT.... Nice seeing them over the water & the reflections.... Other than that I am tired of fireworks.......

This year I will have the grandDog for 10 days & he hates fireworks....... So we will have loud music & share a beer & hopefully he sleeps through the night..
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Yep, we can definitely see them in various places across the lake. South Shore and over by Cal Neva come to mind.

And I'm with you, i don't get all that excited by fireworks either anymore. When I was young I thought watching them on the Lake in a boat was cool but now that's just a sh*t show.
 
cawacko said:
I've gone to Lake Tahoe basically every summer since the mid '80's. Heading up there next week for the 4th. It is a beautiful and amazing place. And yes the water is still, pardon my French, balls cold. And yes people will still fly fish in the Truckee.
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I'm so envious. Do you have a cabin or camp there? Hope you enjoy your vacation in heaven!
 
zymurgy said:
the issues were already being fixed long before the EPA. As the article explains - the reason this fire was such a big deal is because fires were becoming rare on water - when they used to be commonplace.
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One power that the EPA was given is the ability to go after polluters to recoup the cost of remediation, as well as fine them. Prior to its formation, that process was hit or miss, particularly when the problem was spread over a large area and/or cross state borders. In cases where the polluter had no assets to recoup cost of remediation, the EPA was allowed to take on the job. In Times Beach, for instance, the polluter, Russell Bliss, was a fly-by-night guy with nothing to seize. The state of Missouri could not afford the remediation costs either, although the state paid residents to relocate. Here is an interesting look at the whole Times Beach disaster:

https://www.stlmag.com/Remember-Times-Beach-The-Dioxin-Disaster-30-Years-Later/
 
cawacko said:
Yep, we can definitely see them in various places across the lake. South Shore and over by Cal Neva come to mind.

And I'm with you, i don't get all that excited by fireworks either anymore. When I was young I thought watching them on the Lake in a boat was cool but now that's just a sh*t show.
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I saw a pretty good one when Santa Cruz was having their Sesquicentennial & had a nice display over the water.. We sat on the rock just on the other side of the river on Castle(sea bright) beach... Wasn't big but it was pretty over the calm water..
 
Bill said:
I saw a pretty good one when Santa Cruz was having their Sesquicentennial & had a nice display over the water.. We sat on the rock just on the other side of the river on Castle(sea bright) beach... Wasn't big but it was pretty over the calm water..
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I’ll always be a kid at heart as far as fireworks, I love them. We lived near the owner of GCI in Anchorage, and he use to have a better display than did the city of Anchorage. It must have cost him a fortune.
 
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