Film Review: SICKO!

Darla said:
Here's another great piece from Paul Krugman, about health care:

http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/07/paul-krugman-health-care-terror.html
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"And the French manage to provide arguably the best health care in the world, without significant waiting lists of any kind. There’s a scene in “Sicko” in which expatriate Americans in Paris praise the French system. According to the hard data they’re not romanticizing. It really is that good."


Damn, I hate it when the french embarrras us.


Oh, BTW: the Fox News screen crawl: "Does national health care breed terrorists?", was hilarious!
 
Cypress said:
"And the French manage to provide arguably the best health care in the world, without significant waiting lists of any kind. There’s a scene in “Sicko” in which expatriate Americans in Paris praise the French system. According to the hard data they’re not romanticizing. It really is that good."


Damn, I hate it when the french embarrras us.


Oh, BTW: the Fox News screen crawl: "Does national health care breed terrorists?", was hilarious!
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Yeah, you can't even satirize those guys over at FoX. It's just not possible.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/10/gupta.sicko/index.html

This is an interesting clip. I thought Dr. Gupta was going to get owned, but he handled himself pretty well and brought up some points about MM's statistics, as did Dr. Gupta bring up good points about his. Although the quiveling really is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't change the overall story. I'd like to see statistics on how much of people's income is dedicated to medical expenses. Rattling off figures of how much medical costs are compared to third world countries is somewhat meaningless.
 
There was a lady on the radio from Canada the other day, by the time she ended her interview I was almost totally convinced that I don't want a system like theirs... If we do this we have to improve it before we take on their mess.
 
Damocles said:
There was a lady on the radio from Canada the other day, by the time she ended her interview I was almost totally convinced that I don't want a system like theirs... If we do this we have to improve it before we take on their mess.
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The real problem is patient versus umbrella prices. There's no excuse for those discrepancies. But I too think we'd be better off trying to improve this system. My broken nose in England was enough to convince me. Now granted if I didn't have insurance, I'd be better off over there, but that wasn't the case.
 
LadyT said:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/10/gupta.sicko/index.html

This is an interesting clip. I thought Dr. Gupta was going to get owned, but he handled himself pretty well and brought up some points about MM's statistics, as did Dr. Gupta bring up good points about his. Although the quiveling really is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't change the overall story. I'd like to see statistics on how much of people's income is dedicated to medical expenses. Rattling off figures of how much medical costs are compared to third world countries is somewhat meaningless.
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Here's Moore's response to whatever Gupta said

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article_10017.php

What happened to you in England when you broke your nose?
 
Uhh guys and gals...

Why do you all fail to cite the biggest drain on Health Care..# 1 is Medicaid...which was intended as a catch all for those on welfare who fell between the cracks as well as initial payment for those who qualified for help while on workers compensation for injuries on the job...as it turns out the biggest drain on medicade is Illegal aleins who by the way are guaranteed medicade and receive preferential treatment for benefits over citizens as well as resident aleins...

#2 is the financial drain on the entire health care system by the Aids crisis...why not attack those who receive medical benefits for bad behavior...never mind gay is cool so forgive them...along with the drug addicts who stick dirty needles into their arms...Liberalism at it's best in play in this thread!


Not to mention the drug companies gouging and HMO's who make a fortune denying treatment for legitiment claims and cause Hospitals/MD's to raise their prices to ridiculous amounts!
 
#2 is the financial drain on the entire health care system by the Aids crisis...why not attack those who receive medical benefits for bad behavior

Absotively! As soon as it's arranged so that if you have a heart attack, and have eaten a big mac, or any kind of red meat, or, a potato chip within two weeks of that heart attack; DENIED!

And if you've had a beer, or smoked a cigar: DENIED!
 
Darla said:
Here's Moore's response to whatever Gupta said

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article_10017.php

What happened to you in England when you broke your nose?
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I broke it in Sussex on a Friday night - they told me ENT specialists were off and that there wouldn't be one on until Tuesday there. So, naturally I went back to London, we're I called every hospital, and since I could breath, no would take me to even look at me until the following week some time. Keep in mind my nasal cavity was SHATTERED. I had no bridge to my nose and the cartilage was poking through the skin. It was extremely bad. And I could'nt even get seen for days.

The contrast is that the following Tuesday I hopped a plane back home, saw a doctor that afternoon and was in surgery by Friday. God only knows how long it would have taken me to get a surgeon and actually have it done. My doctors said the surgery that I need to have done should be done within 14 days of the initial break or they'd have to break my nose again which could lead to more scarring. Long story short we just need to figure out a way to get more people insured, and not make everything government run.
 
Battleborne said:
Why do you all fail to cite the biggest drain on Health Care..# 1 is Medicaid......

#2 is the financial drain on the entire health care system by the Aids crisis...why not attack those who receive medical benefits for bad behavior...
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Because those people you like to carelessly dismiss spent a lifetime putting into the medicaid and medicare system.
 
LadyT said:
I broke it in Sussex on a Friday night - they told me ENT specialists were off and that there wouldn't be one on until Tuesday there. So, naturally I went back to London, we're I called every hospital, and since I could breath, no would take me to even look at me until the following week some time. Keep in mind my nasal cavity was SHATTERED. I had no bridge to my nose and the cartilage was poking through the skin. It was extremely bad. And I could'nt even get seen for days.

The contrast is that the following Tuesday I hopped a plane back home, saw a doctor that afternoon and was in surgery by Friday. God only knows how long it would have taken me to get a surgeon and actually have it done. My doctors said the surgery that I need to have done should be done within 14 days of the initial break or they'd have to break my nose again which could lead to more scarring. Long story short we just need to figure out a way to get more people insured, and not make everything government run.
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Amen.
 
Nooo...

LadyT said:
Because those people you like to carelessly dismiss spent a lifetime putting into the medicaid and medicare system.
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Not what I said...I dismissed the abuse by Illegal Aliens(Anchor Babies as an example)...the original intent for medicade was for the welfare of "citizens" who fell through the cracks...not for Illegals who cross the Border for free bennies that were intended for 'Citizens'...end of story!
 
LadyT said:
I broke it in Sussex on a Friday night - they told me ENT specialists were off and that there wouldn't be one on until Tuesday there. So, naturally I went back to London, we're I called every hospital, and since I could breath, no would take me to even look at me until the following week some time. Keep in mind my nasal cavity was SHATTERED. I had no bridge to my nose and the cartilage was poking through the skin. It was extremely bad. And I could'nt even get seen for days.

The contrast is that the following Tuesday I hopped a plane back home, saw a doctor that afternoon and was in surgery by Friday. God only knows how long it would have taken me to get a surgeon and actually have it done. My doctors said the surgery that I need to have done should be done within 14 days of the initial break or they'd have to break my nose again which could lead to more scarring. Long story short we just need to figure out a way to get more people insured, and not make everything government run.
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:party:
 
LadyT said:
I broke it in Sussex on a Friday night - they told me ENT specialists were off and that there wouldn't be one on until Tuesday there. So, naturally I went back to London, we're I called every hospital, and since I could breath, no would take me to even look at me until the following week some time. Keep in mind my nasal cavity was SHATTERED. I had no bridge to my nose and the cartilage was poking through the skin. It was extremely bad. And I could'nt even get seen for days.

The contrast is that the following Tuesday I hopped a plane back home, saw a doctor that afternoon and was in surgery by Friday. God only knows how long it would have taken me to get a surgeon and actually have it done. My doctors said the surgery that I need to have done should be done within 14 days of the initial break or they'd have to break my nose again which could lead to more scarring. Long story short we just need to figure out a way to get more people insured, and not make everything government run.
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Well that sucks.

I'm sure we can't possibly do any better than the british. :cof1:
 
Damocles said:
Well, we can't if we never consider the problems their system has and what caused them.
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I've never suggested copying exactly what other countries have.

There's never going to be a perfect system. Our system is totally fucked up now, but when some CATO dude points to an alleged waiting line in canada, there's only one motive for doing that in my book: to protect the status quo.

Britians system is entirely nationalized. Hospitals are run by the goverment, and health care workers and doctors are all government employees. That's never going to happen there.

I'd take a look at the best of the French system, the canadian, system, the UK system, the australian system, etc. and try to adopt the best elements.
 
Cypress said:
I've never suggested copying exactly what other countries have.

There's never going to be a perfect system. Our system is totally fucked up now, but when some CATO dude points to an alleged waiting line in canada, there's only one motive for doing that in my book: to protect the status quo.

Britians system is entirely nationalized. Hospitals are run by the goverment, and health care workers and doctors are all government employees. That's never going to happen there.

I'd take a look at the best of the French system, the canadian, system, the UK system, the australian system, etc. and try to adopt the best elements.
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Actually private healthcare is still, at this time, outlawed in Canada. The courts put off a ruling for another year to allow some privitization in Quebec.


You clearly haven't read any of the links I provided from Canadian sources about their own system. It also needs improvement, and one of the ways would be to allow some privatized systems.

I agree, we work with the "best" and improve the system that is implemented by studying the problems.
 
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