My entire paternal side of my family is Candian Damo. I most certainly do realize the upsides and downsides of their system. I've never suggested we have to copy it 100%.
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My entire paternal side of my family is Candian Damo. I most certainly do realize the upsides and downsides of their system. I've never suggested we have to copy it 100%.
I just grow tired of every time somebody shows that there are problems we may want to address before we adopt such a system is somehow, "Promoting the status quo" as if they are hand in hand with CATO. While I agree with them often, that doesn't mean that when I suggest we should study the problems in other systems and improve on them while implementing a different solution that I am somehow attempting to promote the status quo.
There are a lot of horror stories in this country too, and with people who have insurance...forget it if you don't have it.
I think we can do it better. Certainly better than we are doing it now, and I believe better than the UK is doing it.
I agree with you! You are the one who is insisting that someone has ever said that Canada is great! We should totally copy Canada.
Hey, I had pancretitis, and if you want to know pain, get that.
I was fully insured. I waited an entire evening, and then, through the night and till morning, to be admitted at Stony Brook University Medical Center, which is supposed to be a great hospital.
And, I might still be sitting there if my fiance didn't freak out finally at about 4am, and threaten to tear the place apart.
And I got no pain medication. And again, you can't imagine the pain.
cawacko
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Cypress, I didn't know you read info that CATO put out. What CATO guy said there were long lines in Canada?
Again, all I have suggested is that their system is problematic, then my answer was "so what?" I then gave reason why we should pay attention to the problems in other systems.
Somebody suggested that CATO lied, and made a post that ignored problems with Canada's system. I pointed out that there are problems with their system, and that we should pay attention to it. For that I got, "Who cares?"
Again, if we don't want the same problems we need to pay attention to them, ascertain their cause, and fix such problems in any system we implement here.
That is because, as you might know, lobbyists and free market ideologues have used the problems within the Canadian system, to scare people in this country from Universal health care.
Now, studying them, so that we can solve them when we implement our own system, is a rational, common sense approach. And being a rational, sensible woman, I have no problem with that, and agree that it is a good idea.
Cawacko, darling, in your own article that you posted on the thread you called Health Care, the guy from Cato uses alleged waiting periods in Sweden and the Uk as an argument.
It seems that "alleged" waiting in the UK is very real. How long did LadyT say it would have taken her to get her nose looked at?
I can't imagine going into a pressurized plane with such a problem, I am sorry that she had to go through that much pain just to get here and have her nose dealt with before they would have had to rebreak it.
His question was "who from Cato has ever" so I answered that.
I don't think the UK's system ranks very high, and I'm not saying there aren't problems with it, nor would I say that one person's experience is enough to indict the entire system, nor would I ever imagine that Cato is not inflating their numbers on any wait in any of these countries. I'm sure they would like people to believe that no one in this country ever waits, as well.
That's not true. My nephew needs his tonsils out. They can't get him in until August. Now, if he couldn't breath? I'm sure they could get him in. See, the devil is in the details, and we don't get details in these broad "waiting periods" do we Damo?
yes. I got medicated fairly quickly and when I went into the ER, they saw me pretty quickly too. But that may have only been because I was scaring the other patients with my drama-queen screaming. I always suspected that they gave me something to calm me down in addition to pain killers. For some reason about 20 minutes after I'd taken the pills they gave me I was earily calm.
But I needed to see a specialist then and there. Apparently the fragments that were in my face were pretty close to nerves and that could have caused blindness or other permanent damage. They stabilized me for free and fairly quickly.
That sucks big time.
Well, I expect more than being stablized. We stabalize people here too, unless we suspect they are homeless and we can get away with dumping them on the street with the garbage.
The worse part of the whole thing was that the doctor's kept insisting that to get pancretitis you have to be a big drinker. And I'm not, and wasn't, and hadn't been drinking at all in months. But finally, just to get them to shut up, because they were like SF and Damo, they weren't going to give me any peace until I agreed with them, I finally said, you know, you're right, I did have a couple of drinks about a week ago. And they were very pleased and said, well, for you that could be all it took, everybody's system is different. And I just nodded. And they finally left my room, and that's all I cared about.
That doesn't sound like a good hospital to me. Were they holding your treatment hostage?
It's a teaching hospital, and I hate it. It has a really good reputation, and I guess if you need heart surgery, that's great. But for me, all it ended up doing, was putting a bunch of interns in my room, asking me questions. No, they didn't hold my treatment hostage, they just annoyed me and I wanted to rest, so I told them what they wanted to hear.
That sucks big time. For my nose I went to my local surgeon. Worked out well for me. Until they had to take the stints out. That was worse than the actual break. I won't even tell you about that.