HAVE WE ENTERED A NEW GILDED AGE?

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In the Preface to a new edition of her book highlighting the grassroots struggles during the Progressive Era, Standing at Armageddon: The United States 1877-1919 (1987) Nell Irwin Painter draws some striking comparisons to the United States then and the United States now. While she does concentrate a little too much on war in this Preface written in 2008, I think that most of what she has to say bears repeating here. And since the war in Afghanistan is still dragging on, maybe she was correct to spend so much time and space on it.


In our present-day return to the Gilded Age, we realize the issues of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries never really died. The old issues, in fact, are with us still. As Henry George said way back in 1879, the “unequal distribution of wealth” is the curse of our times.

More than a century ago, thoughtful Americans pondered the meaning of wealth generated by a modern economy. They asked how it could be that the people who worked the hardest were the poorest but the people seemed not to work at all rolled in dough. How could it be that political power served the people with the most but did so little for the people with the least? What is—what should be—the relation between the power of money and the power of the people?

In the last generation, Americans (among other people) have faced old and new crisis. An energy crisis remains with us as we grapple with global warming. We now call hard times recessions, but their toll in human suffering remains. We used to be able to grow out of every crisis at home and send in friendly GIs to help out the people overseas, but wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq have divided the American people, without producing the victorious finale of the “good war” of the 1940s. Today, as when the war in question was the Philippine insurrection, Americans argue over the wisdom of trying to improve another country by occupying it. William Jennings Bryan’s question from 1890 bears repeating: Is the United States a democracy or an empire?

Wars are with us still and their costs in money and blood remain staggering. As Americans asked in 1917, they wonder now: Who should pay and how? Who should serve in the battlefield? Who are the enemy at home and abroad? These pressing issues of the First World War remain pressing issues today. The enemies though, have changed, and the threat of terrorism seems to be everywhere. We no longer trade in “red scares” because the Soviet Union no longer exists and the Cold War is over. But we still question the trade-offs between freedom and security. Is the loss of American freedom the cost of vigilance, and who decides who will pay?

As the end of the First World War and in the midst of the Great Unrest, a Chicago journal predicted that “unless the issue is decided once and for all now, through the firmness and courage of the American people, Americanism for a time at least will perish from the face of the earth and the war will have been fought in vain.” Whether the challenge is economic hard times, religious antagonism, or the gap between the rich and the poor, this warning from nearly a century ago still rings in our ears.



So the question is: Have we actually entered a new Gilded Age and what can we do about it if we have, given what I already posted this morning from Piven’s text about the possibility of a popular uprising or anything resembling a general strike in today’s political and cultural environment.

It is certainly hard to believe anything will ever be accomplished to change anything given the current consciousness and the current failure of people to act on what they know is an intractable situation.

Enter at your own risk, unlike the faint of heart I ban no one, nor do I block or delete my threads!
 
In the Preface to a new edition of her book highlighting the grassroots struggles during the Progressive Era, Standing at Armageddon: The United States 1877-1919 (1987) Nell Irwin Painter draws some striking comparisons to the United States then and the United States now. While she does concentrate a little too much on war in this Preface written in 2008, I think that most of what she has to say bears repeating here. And since the war in Afghanistan is still dragging on, maybe she was correct to spend so much time and space on it.


In our present-day return to the Gilded Age, we realize the issues of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries never really died. The old issues, in fact, are with us still. As Henry George said way back in 1879, the “unequal distribution of wealth” is the curse of our times.

More than a century ago, thoughtful Americans pondered the meaning of wealth generated by a modern economy. They asked how it could be that the people who worked the hardest were the poorest but the people seemed not to work at all rolled in dough. How could it be that political power served the people with the most but did so little for the people with the least? What is—what should be—the relation between the power of money and the power of the people?

In the last generation, Americans (among other people) have faced old and new crisis. An energy crisis remains with us as we grapple with global warming. We now call hard times recessions, but their toll in human suffering remains. We used to be able to grow out of every crisis at home and send in friendly GIs to help out the people overseas, but wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq have divided the American people, without producing the victorious finale of the “good war” of the 1940s. Today, as when the war in question was the Philippine insurrection, Americans argue over the wisdom of trying to improve another country by occupying it. William Jennings Bryan’s question from 1890 bears repeating: Is the United States a democracy or an empire?

Wars are with us still and their costs in money and blood remain staggering. As Americans asked in 1917, they wonder now: Who should pay and how? Who should serve in the battlefield? Who are the enemy at home and abroad? These pressing issues of the First World War remain pressing issues today. The enemies though, have changed, and the threat of terrorism seems to be everywhere. We no longer trade in “red scares” because the Soviet Union no longer exists and the Cold War is over. But we still question the trade-offs between freedom and security. Is the loss of American freedom the cost of vigilance, and who decides who will pay?

As the end of the First World War and in the midst of the Great Unrest, a Chicago journal predicted that “unless the issue is decided once and for all now, through the firmness and courage of the American people, Americanism for a time at least will perish from the face of the earth and the war will have been fought in vain.” Whether the challenge is economic hard times, religious antagonism, or the gap between the rich and the poor, this warning from nearly a century ago still rings in our ears.



So the question is: Have we actually entered a new Gilded Age and what can we do about it if we have, given what I already posted this morning from Piven’s text about the possibility of a popular uprising or anything resembling a general strike in today’s political and cultural environment.

It is certainly hard to believe anything will ever be accomplished to change anything given the current consciousness and the current failure of people to act on what they know is an intractable situation.

Enter at your own risk, unlike the faint of heart I ban no one, nor do I block or delete my threads!

I think if the quality of life continues to disintegrate, as education becomes more costly and high paying jobs are a thing of the past that there will be an uprising and one have even suggested a civil war. There are those that support inequality on the grounds that it is freedom, capitalism.

The wealthy own our politicians and they pay to have laws and taxation stacked in their favor, it will be up to the Millenials to decide when they have had enough.
 
Our GDP isn't in double digits, so we are definitely not experiencing the Gilded Age.

I thought he meant of USC football with Sark. Going to have to give him a couple of years before we start calling it a Gilded Age or Pete Carroll part deux.
 
Like everything else, America suffers this problem over and over. The sad part is that the small brains never wise up to it because of their "guild".
 
I thought he meant of USC football with Sark. Going to have to give him a couple of years before we start calling it a Gilded Age or Pete Carroll part deux.

Of course you did because you have no idea what the words "Guilded Age" refer to. And I bet you didn't read two sentences here, but your comment whatever it is referring to beyond football makes absolutely no sense because you know I am not a football fan and I don't give a shit about USC; so me posting such a thread is ludicrous on its face. Or are you really are just looking for attention? If that is the case then I obliged.
 
Either way, I'm all for Gilded Age levels of GDP. The American success story that you have come to know is all thanks to the Gilded Age.
 
Either way, I'm all for Gilded Age levels of GDP. The American success story that you have come to know is all thanks to the Gilded Age.

Which success story is that? The one where we have the greatest income inequality, the highest poverty rate, greatest number of children in poverty, worst child well-being, lowest social mobility, highest health care costs,still far too many people with no health care, highest infant mortality rate, highest obesity rate, highest anti-depressant use, shortest life expectancy at birth, highest incarceration rate, highest military spending, highest arms sales, worst gender inequality, highest murder rate. Is that the success story you are talking about? Or the one where conditions were so bad for the common people that there were actual general strikes and people on strike for a subsistence wage were shot and killed 10 in the streets of Baltimore, 25 in the streets of Pittsburgh, 40-50 in the streets of Chicago, and survivors and others compared the whole era to the Paris Commune of 1871, where thousands lost their lives. Or the periodic depressions 1873-1879, 1882-1885, 1893-1897, 1907-1908, 1913-1915, and the list could go on all the way through the Great Recession we are still experiencing. So where exactly is this "success story" other than in general numbers of tons of steel and miles of rail, which we no longer even bother to update, or other abstract references in toll on human life, the success story just doesn't exist. But if you want to talk about individual success stories, George Vanderbilt is a good example, he bought up 200 square miles of land in South Carolina where he erected Biltmore House a sprawling 1,000 foot long, 250 room mansion sporting 40 master bedrooms, a 72 foot long dinning room, an indoor swimming pool, and a gymnasium. Others piled up huge estates as well and with no estate taxes passed on millions, Jay Could left $77 million and Henry Frick left $150 million. Do you think their individual fortunes would help you and if so how?
 
Don't forget the Ludlow Massacre (24 dead including woman and children), The Matawan Massacre (10 dead); the Battle of Blair Mountian (between 50 and 100 killed); the Paint Creek Strike (over 50 killed);etc. Good times, eh triple E?
 
Don't forget the Ludlow Massacre (24 dead including woman and children), The Matawan Massacre (10 dead); the Battle of Blair Mountian (between 50 and 100 killed); the Paint Creek Strike (over 50 killed);etc. Good times, eh triple E?

And rounding out the whole period were the Palmer Raids on January 2 and 3, 1920 in which 5,000 radicals or suspected radicals were arrested and jailed in 33 cities in 23 states, initiating the first "red scare." Victor Berger had already been expelled from Congress in 1919, he would be expelled again, the second coming on his re-election to fill the seat from which he had just been expelled. The New York legislature expelled 5 socialists after the raids. .
 
Try a dictionary if you don't know the meaning of a word Legion.

"Guilded" doesn't appear to be a word, Runey.

There is this:

Guilded Age is a fantasy webcomic about five heroes who have come together to work for a common goal: three squares and a warm bed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilded_Age


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I guess I am too stupid to realize that Dantes used parenthesis "Guilded", because he knew the usage was incorrect, in an obvious(to anyone but me) cut down on both Cawakoff and 3-dweeb.
My attempt to make Dantes look stupid was both immature and unwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilded_Age




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I know, but thanks for being frank about your failings.
 
Great industrial and scientific progress, thanks to the efforts of the dreaded Robber Barons. One of the nations most innovative periods, as well. We built up our cities, and constructed things like the Brooklyn Bridge.
 
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