Hoarding classified docs will put you in jail

IBDaMann said:
... but she wasn't the President.

This is another stupid thread started by an undereducated leftist who is totally ignorant of how classified information works.

The President has full authority over all Executive branch documents. The President is the classifying authority. There is no higher classifying authority above the President that can impugn him. I know, I know, undereducated leftists simply cannot grasp this. I can't help you there.

In any event, there does not exist anyone who can override the (even former) President's authority over documents that fell within his purview. That's what comes with being the President.
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lots of bullshit you got, but few facts. Trump stole documents, he refused to return them, he tried hiding them and then lying about them and to top it off he showed top secret docs to his friends.
 
RB 60 said:
So? He still was not authorized to have them, but being a Democrat, he gets a pass...
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There have been more than a few others who had them accidentally, and returned them right away. No harm, no foul.Its those like trump who refuse to return classified docs, who wind up indicted. Its all Trumps fault.
 
floridafan said:
There's an FBI agent who hoarded classified documents like Trump — and she's going to prison

"A former FBI intelligence analyst from Dodge City, Kansas, who kept hundreds of classified documents at her home, including in her bathroom, was sentenced to nearly four years in prison by a federal judge in Kansas City on Wednesday for violating the same part of the Espionage Act that former President Donald Trump is accused of breaking," reported Jonathan Shorman.

'I cannot fathom why you would jeopardize our nation by leaving these types of documents in your bathtub,' [U.S. District Court Judge Stephen] Bough said," the report continued. "Bough, ordered the former analyst, Kendra Kingsbury, to spend three years and 10 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release. He ordered her to surrender to federal authorities to begin her prison sentence on July 21.

According to prosecutors, Kingsbury's home stash of both papers and CDs included national security secrets, including information about al-Qaeda associates in Africa, as well as information about open FBI investigations.

This case is remarkably similar to that against Trump, who is accused of storing highly classified national defense information, including attack plans against Iran, in boxes left in unsecured rooms at his country club, at various points in a ballroom, and a bathroom. Trump is further accused of having his personal valet and body man, Walt Nauta, move the boxes around to conceal them after government subpoenas, and even from his own attorneys. Nauta has also been charged in the case.
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I guess she wasn't covered by the PRA. :dunno:
 
floridafan said:
There have been more than a few others who had them accidentally, and returned them right away. No harm, no foul.Its those like trump who refuse to return classified docs, who wind up indicted. Its all Trumps fault.
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Accidentally??? He took some of them from a SCIF. :laugh:
 
floridafan said:
There's an FBI agent who hoarded classified documents like Trump — and she's going to prison

"A former FBI intelligence analyst from Dodge City, Kansas, who kept hundreds of classified documents at her home, including in her bathroom, was sentenced to nearly four years in prison by a federal judge in Kansas City on Wednesday for violating the same part of the Espionage Act that former President Donald Trump is accused of breaking," reported Jonathan Shorman.

'I cannot fathom why you would jeopardize our nation by leaving these types of documents in your bathtub,' [U.S. District Court Judge Stephen] Bough said," the report continued. "Bough, ordered the former analyst, Kendra Kingsbury, to spend three years and 10 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release. He ordered her to surrender to federal authorities to begin her prison sentence on July 21.

According to prosecutors, Kingsbury's home stash of both papers and CDs included national security secrets, including information about al-Qaeda associates in Africa, as well as information about open FBI investigations.

This case is remarkably similar to that against Trump, who is accused of storing highly classified national defense information, including attack plans against Iran, in boxes left in unsecured rooms at his country club, at various points in a ballroom, and a bathroom. Trump is further accused of having his personal valet and body man, Walt Nauta, move the boxes around to conceal them after government subpoenas, and even from his own attorneys. Nauta has also been charged in the case.
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Unless your name is Biden
 
floridafan said:
There have been more than a few others who had them accidentally, and returned them right away. No harm, no foul.Its those like trump who refuse to return classified docs, who wind up indicted. It’s all Trumps fault.
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Or share them in some way like Teixeira.
 
RB 60 said:
So? He still was not authorized to have them, but being a Democrat, he gets a pass...
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It is more common than not, for the obstruction to be charged, even when the underlying offense would not have been.

The 'cover up is worse than the crime' is a long term saying for a reason.


Trump did not get a single charge regarding any of the documents he had and horded that he gave back prior to the FBI search and seizure after the subpoena and sworn out statement lies. Trump made it clear to DoJ with that sworn our affidavit that he was done cooperating and they would not get anything more unless they could take it. And that is what they then did.


So yes, Trump got a pass, Pence got a pass and Biden got a pass all for giving stuff back voluntarily when asked. Perfectly consistent.


Trump did not get a pass when he obstructed and lied under oath and gave the DoJ the middle finger forcing them to take action to get them back. Pence and Biden never did that. So again perfectly consistent.
 
floridafan said:
There's an FBI agent who hoarded classified documents like Trump — and she's going to prison
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(1) An FBI agent is not a President. Authority over Executive Branch documents is vested in a President, not an FBI agent or an agency beneath the President. She illegally possessed classified documents; Trump legally possessed declassified documents.

(2) Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Mike Pence all illegally possessed classified documents... buuuuuut NONE of them are going to prison...... hmmmmmmmm....... Two tiers of justice, much?
 
LurchAddams said:
You have any proof of that? I'm only asking because sometimes you make stuff up - like yesterday when you claimed a military administrative dismissal was the same thing as a felony conviction - or when you claimed FOIA made it illegal for congress to subpoena tax returns. I'm sayin' we gotta watch you :)
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Hollywood lawyer paid off over $2M of Hunter Biden’s delinquent taxes
https://nypost.com/2022/05/08/hollywood-lawyer-kevin-morris-paid-off-over-2m-of-hunter-bidens-taxes/

A prominent Hollywood lawyer helped Hunter Biden pay off his $2 million tax bill, the NYT reports

Wealthy entertainment attorney Kevin Morris — who once negotiated a reported $550 million landmark licensing deal for the creators of the hit animated show "South Park" — has been financially supporting Biden, according to the Times.

Morris loaned Hunter Biden more than $2 million, which the president's son used to support his family and pay back delinquent taxes amid a federal investigation into Hunter Biden's tax affairs, the newspaper reported, citing four anonymous people familiar with the matter.
https://www.businessinsider.com/hollywood-lawyer-helped-hunter-biden-pay-off-tax-bill-nyt-2022-5

Dismissal from military service is the officer equivalent of NJP (Non-Judicial Punishment, a misdemeanor in the military) and getting an other than honorable discharge for enlisted. Bagman was dismissed for using illegal drugs, a crime in the military. I never said it was a felony, only that he had a prior criminal conviction for drug use and that is dismissal from military service. And, yes, that was a criminal act he committed to be tossed out of the military.
 
floridafan said:
There's an FBI agent who hoarded classified documents like Trump — and she's going to prison

"A former FBI intelligence analyst from Dodge City, Kansas, who kept hundreds of classified documents at her home, including in her bathroom, was sentenced to nearly four years in prison by a federal judge in Kansas City on Wednesday for violating the same part of the Espionage Act that former President Donald Trump is accused of breaking," reported Jonathan Shorman.

'I cannot fathom why you would jeopardize our nation by leaving these types of documents in your bathtub,' [U.S. District Court Judge Stephen] Bough said," the report continued. "Bough, ordered the former analyst, Kendra Kingsbury, to spend three years and 10 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release. He ordered her to surrender to federal authorities to begin her prison sentence on July 21.

According to prosecutors, Kingsbury's home stash of both papers and CDs included national security secrets, including information about al-Qaeda associates in Africa, as well as information about open FBI investigations.

This case is remarkably similar to that against Trump, who is accused of storing highly classified national defense information, including attack plans against Iran, in boxes left in unsecured rooms at his country club, at various points in a ballroom, and a bathroom. Trump is further accused of having his personal valet and body man, Walt Nauta, move the boxes around to conceal them after government subpoenas, and even from his own attorneys. Nauta has also been charged in the case.
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That claim is a lie. No one was "hoarding" documents. Presidents have the unique right to take their presidential documents with them and to determine what resides with the National Archives and what stays with them under the Presidential Records Act.
 
floridafan said:
lots of bullshit you got, but few facts. Trump stole documents,
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That's a dumb lie. He didn't "steal" anything.

floridafan said:
he refused to return them,
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That's another dumb lie. He was negotiating what was Presidential and what should reside within the archives, which, under the PRA, he has the authority to allow access to or deny access to.

floridafan said:
he tried hiding them
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Another moronic lie. Everyone knew where these documents were. No one was hiding them. The FBI, on a previous visit, made recommendations for security.

floridafan said:
and then lying about them and to top it off he showed top secret docs to his friends.
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Another asinine lie. Trump never showed anything top secret to anyone.
 
floridafan said:
Yes, because he returned them as soon as they were discovered. Trump did not, and that is his downfall.
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That is a dumbest of the moronic defenses for Biden. He had the documents for decades once as a senator, then as a VP. Neither position have the right to take anything.

You don't steal documents and illegally store them in unsecured locations, then get a pass just because you got caught with them.
 
floridafan said:
There have been more than a few others who had them accidentally, and returned them right away. No harm, no foul.Its those like trump who refuse to return classified docs, who wind up indicted. Its all Trumps fault.
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That is more lie filled bullshit halfwit.
 
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