How Affordable Is The Affordable Care Act?

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Robo said:
Employees who now work for insurance companies will become unemployed or have to work for government costing taxpayers billions and causing those death spiral waiting list just like in our socialist Veterans Hospitals. Our national government can't even operate successfully the socialized Veteran's health care, and y'all socialist progressive Democrat idiots want the incompetent loonie government to run the same catastrophe for the entire nation, a nation with already a 20 trillion $ national debt.
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So....you're saying insurance-company employees are entitled to job-security.....just like DEA agents??
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Robo said:
Socialist progressive Democrats want a "Single Payer" system, the government being the single payer, socialized medicine. Employees who now work for insurance companies will become unemployed or have to work for government costing taxpayers billions and causing those death spiral waiting list just like in our socialist Veterans Hospitals. Our national government can't even operate successfully the socialized Veteran's health care, and y'all socialist progressive Democrat idiots want the incompetent loonie government to run the same catastrophe for the entire nation, a nation with already a 20 trillion $ national debt.

The definition of insanity is only as far away from you as the closes socialist progressive Democrat!
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I said I'm a progressive, not a socialist. Using the term "socialist progressive" leaves me not sure what point you're making regarding what I said. A progressive wants social change, it's a goal. Socialism is one solution to that. So you can be either a socialist progressive or a progressive who's not a socialist.

I do want social change. I want a better path out of poverty for the economicly low end part of the country. I think there are a lot of smart people who could contribute a lot more to society and benefit themselves obviously at the same time. That is the social change I support. While government is a major player in that, I do not want government in the business of shutting down successful businesses and taking it over removing the choices of people who can pay for it, which makes me not a socialist
 
Robo said:
1. Premium Increases
Although President Obama promised that a family of four would save $2,500 in premium costs thanks to Obamacare, almost the exact opposite has proven true. The Kaiser Family Foundation shows that the average employer-based family policy that cost $13,770 in 2010 cost $16,834 in 2014, an increase of more than $3,000
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Faulty analysis. You have to look at what today's premiums would be without Obamacare. They were going up. To measure today's premiums against 2014 prices isn't a valid measurement
 
Zake said:
A public option would bshut down all insurers. Public option means government runs it. While we need to provide access to healthcare for everyone, I don't see why government should take away the insurance people who can afford it have. I'm not a socialist, just a progressive. I want to expand healthcare, not restrict it. Just like education and the safety net
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Why do you think that? A Public Option is just that. I have the option to buy into Medicare. Win/Win. Their operating costs are nothing when compared to private insurance, and they now have the highest risk demographic as their entire client base.

Younger/healthier people can buy in for less than they could buy private insurance.
 
Althea said:
Why do you think that? A Public Option is just that. I have the option to buy into Medicare. Win/Win. Their operating costs are nothing when compared to private insurance, and they now have the highest risk demographic as their entire client base.

Younger/healthier people can buy in for less than they could buy private insurance.
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Because with government there is no correlation with cost and benefits. Most socialist countries ban private insurers. The ones that have them only the truly rich can afford
 
Althea said:
Sure....there are increases. They're typically lower than the historical rate increases. High deductibles are a foreign concept to many who had employer based plans, but not for the millions who have been stuck in the individual market for decades.

The truth is, healthcare isn't free. Most people thought it was, because they felt they had their benefits package coming to them like some sort of entitlement.

With max OOP costs now, the high deductible shouldn't be such an issue. It should serve to stop people from running to the doctor every time they get a runny nose.


Of course the ACA is going to suffer problems in the early years. Millions of people now have access to insurance, and are going to the doctor for issues they've dealt with for many years.

Republicans successfully killed the programs that were in place for cost sharing among insurers, so we'll see companies pulling out of the exchanges.


In the end, we'll get a public option, which will force insurers to either get with the program, or find another line of work.
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Well said!!
 
Mr. Shaman said:


Try, again, Goober

Single-Payer is merely the government acting as the bank that pays health-care fees. It's got nothing-to-do with socialized-medicine.

You're that worried about them investigating inflated-fees, huh??

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...l-charges-vary-across-u-s-for-same-procedures​
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Yeah Right! Socialism is an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. If you think government being just the bank for paying for healthcare services you're a fucking blind dreamer. They'll regulate it beyond belief. When they're through setting up the government single payer system for the entire nation, today's Veteran hospitals will look like heavenly operations. Just look at the VA health services. That's "SINGLE PAYER."
 
A sample of America's coming Single Payer Healthcare.


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The news is shocking: Patients dying on the waiting list for government-provided healthcare. But this is not a report from Canada or the British National Health Service. It’s right here in America, in the health system administered by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The problems first surfaced in Phoenix, where the wait to receive care at VA facilities had grown so long that 1,400 to 1,600 sick veterans were forced to wait months to see a doctor. As many as 40 veterans reportedly died because they couldn’t get the care they needed. VA administrators tried to cover up the problems by establishing secret waiting lists and falsifying reports.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/16/va-hospital-scandal-no-surprise-for-government-run-healthcare/
 
A Sample Of America’s Coming Progressive Single Payer Healthcare System

http://netrightdaily.com/2015/09/veterans-affairs-americas-single-payer-health-care-system/

If you want an example of a single payer health care system there is no need to look to England or Canada. America already has a single payer system. It is called the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). To get an idea how it works Google “Veterans Affairs Scandal.” As of today you will get over 700,000 hits.

This is the type of system the so called “progressives” want to force on all Americans. Because of courageous whistle blowers the whole ugly system has been exposed but nothing of consequence has been done. It is estimated that at most three employees have been fired in a scandal that has badly affected hundreds of thousands of our nation’s heroes.

One of the tricks used by the VA bureaucrats to make themselves look superior while veterans received inferior care was to log their appointment time as the time he or she desired when in fact the veterans had in reality waited an average of 115 days. By this trickery they were able to report to Washington, D.C. an average wait time of 24 days. Thereby enabling the VA employees to receive performance bonuses while veterans in some cases died.
 
Zake said:
Government ensuring everyone has access to healthcare is in the general welfare of the people. No one is excluded
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Thomas Jefferson Opinion on Constitutional Interpretation Date: February 15, 1791

“They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare , but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please . . . . Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. It was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect.

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,
and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,
they may take the care of religion into their own hands;
they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish
and pay them out of their public treasury;
they may take into their own hands the education of children,
establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
they may assume the provision of the poor;
they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;
in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation
down to the most minute object of police,
would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power
of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
of the limited Government established by the people of America." (James Madison)
 
Mr. Shaman said:
Try, again, Goober

Single-Payer is merely the government acting as the bank that pays health-care fees. It's got nothing-to-do with socialized-medicine.

You're that worried about them investigating inflated-fees, huh??

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...l-charges-vary-across-u-s-for-same-procedures​
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Robo said:
Yeah Right! Socialism is an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. If you think government being just the bank for paying for healthcare services you're a fucking blind dreamer.

They'll regulate it beyond belief. When they're through setting up the government single payer system for the entire nation, today's Veteran hospitals will look like heavenly operations. Just look at the VA health services. That's "SINGLE PAYER."
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ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......check it OUT!! Lil' Goober's stretchin' his psychic-prediction legs!!!!!


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"Single-payer healthcare is a system in which the state, rather than private insurers, pays for all healthcare costs. Single-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the United Kingdom).

The term "single-payer" thus describes the funding mechanism, referring to healthcare financed by a single public body from a single fund, not the type of delivery or for whom physicians work."

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Ya' know.....if you'd spend a little-more time doing research......before shootin'-off your mouth.....you wouldn't sound like such a damned, clueless fool.


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Robo said:
A Sample Of America’s Coming Progressive Single Payer Healthcare System

If you want an example of a single payer health care system there is no need to look to England or Canada. America already has a single payer system. It is called the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA).
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Robo said:
Thomas Jefferson Opinion on Constitutional Interpretation Date: February 15, 1791

“They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare , but only to lay taxes for that purpose."
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We've ALREADY GOT THAT PROCESS, IN-PLACE, GOOBER!!!!!!​


"United States Medicare is funded by a Payroll Tax, premiums and surtaxes from beneficiaries, and general revenue. It provides health insurance for Americans aged 65 and older who have worked and paid into the system through the payroll tax."

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