I'd settle for Eisenhower Republicans to save our Republic!

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The United States of America was founded on Liberal principals. I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that today's Liberals have changed; they no longer share the Liberal ideals of our founding fathers...WRONG...

And...I continue to hear over and over the argument from the right that the Republican Party HASN'T changed..WRONG...AGAIN...Today's GOP was hijacked by the far right AND the far left. The neoconservatives came from the far LEFT...yet they feel right at home with the far right theocrats...

There's an old saying..."Robins and Blue Jays don't nest together"

HERE is what the Republican Party USED to stand for...

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Excerpt from:
Republican Party Platform of 1956
August 20, 1956


Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.

"We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs-expansion of social security-broadened coverage in unemployment insurance - improved housing- and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

Labor
"Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country...they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding...

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.... We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838


Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
Barry Goldwater
 
The GOP platform of 1856 called for the abolition of polygamy in the territories. Apparently all of this hooplah over "defense of marriage" is not brand new.
 
The GOP platform of 1856 called for the abolition of polygamy in the territories. Apparently all of this hooplah over "defense of marriage" is not brand new.

Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same.
Oscar Wilde
 
I'd settle for Eisenhower Republicans to save our Republic!

Wow... that's really unfortunate that you are just now realizing you'd like to vote for an Eisenhower Republican, since your party has already nominated Socialist Marxists to run against Republicans, and the election is two weeks away. If you had only come to this realization a year ago, it might have changed things. I guess you could switch parties and next election, maybe you can nominate Republicans like Ike, who you could vote for? I don't know what to tell you to do about this problem, you have quite the dilemma. As it stands, you have your Marxist Socialists, and they are going to have their clocks cleaned by Conservative Republicans in two weeks. I guess you'll just have to live with that for the next two years... at least you'll still have Obama!
 
"President Eisenhower describes his administration's political philosophy as 'dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive, dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive moderation,' then as 'moderate progressivism,' and then as 'positive progressivism.'" William Manchester in "The Glory and the Dream"


The republican party of Eisenhower, Rockefeller, and other more liberal politicians no longer exists. Consider only Dixie's reply as proof thought has no place in the republican party today, corporate propaganda now labels any opposition to their power Marxist, socialist or some other slogan. That propaganda is so deeply embedded in the minds of the right wing nothing else can fit there.
 
Wow... that's really unfortunate that you are just now realizing you'd like to vote for an Eisenhower Republican, since your party has already nominated Socialist Marxists to run against Republicans, and the election is two weeks away. If you had only come to this realization a year ago, it might have changed things. I guess you could switch parties and next election, maybe you can nominate Republicans like Ike, who you could vote for? I don't know what to tell you to do about this problem, you have quite the dilemma. As it stands, you have your Marxist Socialists, and they are going to have their clocks cleaned by Conservative Republicans in two weeks. I guess you'll just have to live with that for the next two years... at least you'll still have Obama!

It is really unfortunate that you didn't read before you blurted out. There are NO Republicans today that would support Ike's GOP Platform. Today's GOP is not conservative, it is authoritarian. Ike would never pass the right wing 'purity test'

Ironic, you mention Marxist Socialists:
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Irving Kristol (January 22, 1920 – September 18, 2009) was an American columnist, journalist, and writer who was dubbed the "godfather of neoconservatism".

Kristol was born in Brooklyn, New York, the son of non-observant Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe. He received his B.A. from the City College of New York in 1940, where he majored in history and was part of a small but vocal Trotskyist group who eventually became the New York Intellectuals.

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Victor Gold, former speechwriter for George Herbert Walker Bush is a Goldwater conservative...his book explains how the GOP was hijacked away from conservatives by far right theocrats and far left neocons...starting in 1980...

Book Review:

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Invasion of the Party Snatchers


By Victor Gold

After four decades as a Republican insider, Victor Gold reveals how the holy-rollers and the Neo-Cons have destroyed the GOP. Now he's fighting to get his party back.

As a man who served as press aide to Barry Goldwater and speechwriter and senior advisor to George H. W. Bush (in addition to co-authoring his autobiography), Victor Gold is absolutely furious that the Neo-Cons and their strange bedfellows, the Evangelical Right, have stolen his party from him. Now he is bringing the fight to them.

Invasion of the Party Snatchers is a blistering critique not only of the Bush-Cheney administration but also of the Republican Congress. Gold is ready to tell all about the war being waged for the soul of the GOP, including the elder Bush's opinion of his sons work domestically and abroad, the significance of the newly elected Congress, and how Goldwater would have reacted to it all. Gold reveals, among other explosive disclosures, how George W. has been manipulated by his vice president and secretary of defense to become, in Lenin's famous phrase, a "useful idiot" for Neo-Conservative warmongers and Theo-Conservative religious fanatics.

Although there have been other books by dissident Republicans attacking the Bush-Cheney administrations betrayal of conservative principles, none have been by an insider whose political credentials include inner-circle status with Barry Goldwater and George H. W. Bush.

Review:
"Make no mistake: author Gold, a former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush and aide to Barry Goldwater, is one disgusted Republican. The GOP of the 2006 midterm election, he writes, is 'a party of pork-barrel ear-markers like Dennis Hastert, of political hatchet men like Karl Rove, and of Bible-thumping hypocrites like Tom Delay.' Gold looks to Goldwater, 'a straight-talking, freethinking maverick,' as the yardstick by which to measure just how far the party of Lincoln has fallen.

He traces the beginning of the end to the 1980 Republican National Convention and the presence of 'a militant new element...personified by Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.' The other half of the equation, the neoconservatives, are embodied by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, 'two cuts from the same Machiavellian cloth.' In efficient prose, Gold scrutinizes a significant swath of recent GOP history, in particular Newt Gingrich's 104th Congress and the Bush II White House, without losing momentum.

He also has choice words for 'the Coulterization of Republican rhetoric,' the revolving door between Capitol Hill and K Street, and 'sideshow' legislation like the Flag Protection Amendment. Gold sees a promising future for the Republican Party, but not until they lose some major elections and are able to keep down a slice of humble pie; for those disillusioned with the state of the GOP, this quick, uncompromising polemic provides substantial support, along with a large dose of cold comfort." Publishers Weekly (Starred Review) (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)

Synopsis:
The last real Goldwater conservative in America attacks the current state of his movement and his party.

Powell's Books - Invasion of the Party Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and Neo-Cons Destroyed the GOP by Victor Gold
 
Susan Eisenhower Obamacan

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Washington Independent:

"You'll have to forgive me for being an Eisenhower Republican," joked Susan Eisenhower, granddaughter of the former five-star general and two-term Republican president. The man who had helped lead America to victory over the forces of Axis darkness during World War II, then oversaw a period of unprecedented prosperity and suburban satisfaction during the 1950s.

Speaking on the telephone on Aug. 7 from her Washington office at The Eisenhower Institute, a think tank where she serves as president emeritus, the journalist-turned-foreign policy wonk explained her decision to publicly support Barack Obama after a lifetime in the Republican Party.

"I don't know how much you know about my grandfather's administration," Eisenhower said. "But that administration stood for multilateral engagement, balancing the budget. They were the party of civil rights, they were the party of environmental progress. That was the Republican Party of the 1950s. I think you can make the case that doesn't sound like the Republican Party we know today.
 
Nope. Not a lot of Eisenhower Republicans these days, of course, we weren't $13 trillion in debt in 1950 either, that might have a little to do with it. As I said, it's really sad that you are just now coming to the realization you like Ike, and wish you could vote for one, it's too late though, all you have on your side are Marxist Socialists, and they are going to lose really badly. Maybe in 2012, you can nominate some Eisenhower types to run, instead of the current crop of Communists? I would support you in that endeavor!
 
Nope. Not a lot of Eisenhower Republicans these days, of course, we weren't $13 trillion in debt in 1950 either, that might have a little to do with it. As I said, it's really sad that you are just now coming to the realization you like Ike, and wish you could vote for one, it's too late though, all you have on your side are Marxist Socialists, and they are going to lose really badly. Maybe in 2012, you can nominate some Eisenhower types to run, instead of the current crop of Communists? I would support you in that endeavor!
No you wouldn't! You want a religious social conservative that supports the views of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and men that waste blood and treasure in Quixotic follies in the middle east that look sexy in his jeans.
 
Nope. Not a lot of Eisenhower Republicans these days, of course, we weren't $13 trillion in debt in 1950 either, that might have a little to do with it. As I said, it's really sad that you are just now coming to the realization you like Ike, and wish you could vote for one, it's too late though, all you have on your side are Marxist Socialists, and they are going to lose really badly. Maybe in 2012, you can nominate some Eisenhower types to run, instead of the current crop of Communists? I would support you in that endeavor!

Keep spewing your right wing dogma Dix, maybe the authoritarians that took over the GOP will repent.

Today's Democrats are to the right of Democrats in Ike's day, with the exception of the Dixiecrats, who are now Republicans.


"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater
 
Eisenhower was the last President who actually paid off some of our debt, he understood that spending drove taxation, he even warned about what he called the Military Industrial Complex and how that alone could drive us to a spending spree we might never escape from...

I guarantee if he were alive today he'd support a balanced budget amendment...
 
No you wouldn't! You want a religious social conservative that supports the views of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and men that waste blood and treasure in Quixotic follies in the middle east that look sexy in his jeans.

Yes, I want someone even more religious than Robertson though, like maybe a militant Billy Graham, who would forcibly grab you immoral heathens by the nape of the neck and make you recite the Lord's Prayer until you puke your guts out, then forcibly perform Baptismal on you until you nearly drown, causing you to surrender your soul to God and rebuked Satan. Then we could establish The Holy Bible as the Law of the Land and replace the Constitution.

Hey... might as well support that, if I am going to be accused of it, right?

...Now go fuck yourself! MORON!
 
Eisenhower was the last President who actually paid off some of our debt, he understood that spending drove taxation, he even warned about what he called the Military Industrial Complex and how that alone could drive us to a spending spree we might never escape from...

I guarantee if he were alive today he'd support a balanced budget amendment...
and the party you throw all your energy into would not support him. You support the party that Barry Goldwater warned against. A bunch of theocrats that believe they are doing gods work and they have jesus on their side. Hell you can never run for office in your party unless you hide the fact that you don't follow jebus. The republican party cares more about passing laws to save our souls than saving our economy. The eight years of George W proves that.
 
Eisenhower is one of my heroes.

Eisenhower was working on Détente with Khrushchev and the Russians in 1960 until his efforts for peace were undermined and subverted, not by the Russians, but by our own CIA. A U-2 was 'mysteriously was sent into Soviet air space and shot down on May Day, just before the most important summit conference. The pilot, Francis Gary Powers was captured wearing a US Air Force flight suit carrying his Air Force ID. That violated U-2 program protocol. The CIA and the Department of Defense (DOD) had spent millions of dollars sterilizing aircraft and equipment used in clandestine operations, so that anyone who might uncover an operation would be unable, under reasonable circumstances, to trace it positively to its true origin.

The incident so enraged and incensed Ike that it prompted him to make the most provocative speech that any President had ever made. It was a thinly veiled damning of his own country...his final farewell address where he warned:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

That same mission for peace with the Soviet Union, an order to withdraw 1,000 military personnel from Vietnam by the end of 1963, plans to end our military involvement in Vietnam after securing a second term and secret talks to normalize relations with Cuba cost Ike's successor, John F. Kennedy his life.
 
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There has never been any evidence that JFK was going to back off Vietnam, considering that he famously declared that the war against communism would be long and hard, and that "Vietnam seems like a good place to start." Interesting take on the U-2 crisis, though...
 
There has never been any evidence that JFK was going to back off Vietnam, considering that he famously declared that the war against communism would be long and hard, and that "Vietnam seems like a good place to start." Interesting take on the U-2 crisis, though...

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/nsam263.htm

NATIONAL SECURITY ACTION MEMORANDUM NO. 263

TO:

Secretary of State
Secretary of Defense
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

SUBJECT: South Vietnam

At a meeting on October 5, 1963, the President considered the recommendations contained in the report of Secretary McNamara and General Taylor on their mission to South Vietnam.

The President approved the military recommendations contained in Section I B (1 -3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.

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Exit Strategy

In 1963, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal from Vietnam

James K. Galbraith
http://bostonreview.net/BR28.5/galbraith.html
 
I'd settle for conservatives of both parties working together to curb out of control spending.

I understand the sentiment, but I don't agree that curbing spending is our number one priority at this time. I keep hearing the mantra from the right how we have to cut spending and we can't raise rich people's taxes during a deep recession. On the spending issue, WHERE were these people during the Bush years? Let me make a prediction; you'll say that YOU were different. The WORST thing this country can do during a deep recession is to cut the lifelines and programs like unemployment, Medicare, Social Security or any other programs that helps We, the People. What we need to do is create jobs, even if it means spending money to create programs like another WPA or CCC. Right now there is only 1 job opening for every 5 unemployed Americans in the private sector.

During the Great Depression, conservatives of that day were critical of New Deal programs that helped Americans. They said the economy would come back in the long run, to which Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins said: "People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day"


Mere parsimony (frugality, stinginess) is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke
 
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