I'd settle for Eisenhower Republicans to save our Republic!

How much waste do you figure the Chinese tolerate in spending? Reckon they allow $500 hammers and $1500 toilet seats? Do you imagine they spend $40 billion a year to maintain helium storage facilities? I figure they probably get a little more bang for their buck in China, because totalitarian communist regimes generally don't put up with what we routinely deal with here.

I'll say this again, I have no problem with cutting 10...15...even 20% of the military budget, so long as this is applied to ALL budgets across the board! We're not going to just let liberals use the military budget to continue spending us into oblivion, or to avoid cutting your pet entitlements. Whittle down all you want to, but it's going to be done across the board, that's only fair, and it's the most reasonable solution.
I actually looked pie chart on where and how much goes into the US budget. Seriously, if you can't find 10 percent in EVERY SINGLE catagory you aren't looking. We could that much across the board and NOTHING would suffer that much.
 
How much waste do you figure the Chinese tolerate in spending? Reckon they allow $500 hammers and $1500 toilet seats? Do you imagine they spend $40 billion a year to maintain helium storage facilities? I figure they probably get a little more bang for their buck in China, because totalitarian communist regimes generally don't put up with what we routinely deal with here.

I'll say this again, I have no problem with cutting 10...15...even 20% of the military budget, so long as this is applied to ALL budgets across the board! We're not going to just let liberals use the military budget to continue spending us into oblivion, or to avoid cutting your pet entitlements. Whittle down all you want to, but it's going to be done across the board, that's only fair, and it's the most reasonable solution.

Yea, we can't let liberals make cuts to our ability to kill and maim human beings without cutting programs that help human beings and save lives.

Dixie, for all your self righteous chest beating, moral sermonizing and your constant slander of liberals, YOU are the one who is morally bankrupt. Your LOVE, George Bush is guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against nature that will kill 6 times more Americans every year than the attacks on 9/11.


"War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."
John F. Kennedy
 
I actually looked pie chart on where and how much goes into the US budget. Seriously, if you can't find 10 percent in EVERY SINGLE catagory you aren't looking. We could that much across the board and NOTHING would suffer that much.

It's not often I get to agree with you and give you positive reps. :good4u:
 
Yea, we can't let liberals make cuts to our ability to kill and maim human beings without cutting programs that help human beings and save lives.

Dixie, for all your self righteous chest beating, moral sermonizing and your constant slander of liberals, YOU are the one who is morally bankrupt. Your LOVE, George Bush is guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against nature that will kill 6 times more Americans every year than the attacks on 9/11.


"War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."
John F. Kennedy

Shut up, idiot... just shut the fuck up! :lies:
 
Shut up, idiot... just shut the fuck up! :lies:

Men often make up in wrath what they lack in reason.
W. R. Alger

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
 
Wow... that's really unfortunate that you are just now realizing you'd like to vote for an Eisenhower Republican, since your party has already nominated Socialist Marxists to run against Republicans, and the election is two weeks away. If you had only come to this realization a year ago, it might have changed things. I guess you could switch parties and next election, maybe you can nominate Republicans like Ike, who you could vote for? I don't know what to tell you to do about this problem, you have quite the dilemma. As it stands, you have your Marxist Socialists, and they are going to have their clocks cleaned by Conservative Republicans in two weeks. I guess you'll just have to live with that for the next two years... at least you'll still have Obama!
You sound like a Glenn Beck commercial!
 
Yes, I want someone even more religious than Robertson though, like maybe a militant Billy Graham, who would forcibly grab you immoral heathens by the nape of the neck and make you recite the Lord's Prayer until you puke your guts out, then forcibly perform Baptismal on you until you nearly drown, causing you to surrender your soul to God and rebuked Satan. Then we could establish The Holy Bible as the Law of the Land and replace the Constitution.

Hey... might as well support that, if I am going to be accused of it, right?

...Now go fuck yourself! MORON!
Your are one disturbed old dude! Seek confession!
 
Keep spewing your right wing dogma Dix, maybe the authoritarians that took over the GOP will repent.

Today's Democrats are to the right of Democrats in Ike's day, with the exception of the Dixiecrats, who are now Republicans.


"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater
I liked Barry, too, at times, he had his moments.
 
I have a difficult time believing that most of the libs on this board would vote Ike over Stevenson, or that they would ever actually consider voting for Goldwater if he were on a ballot. Remember, Goldwater was called an extremist nutjob back in his day.
 
I have a difficult time believing that most of the libs on this board would vote Ike over Stevenson, or that they would ever actually consider voting for Goldwater if he were on a ballot. Remember, Goldwater was called an extremist nutjob back in his day.
I'd have no problem voting for Ike over Stevenson. I truly Believe that Ike is the only great or near great Republican President of the last 100 years. The problem with your scenario is that Ike could not get nominated in today's Republican party and yes, even by today's standards, Goldwater was an extremist nutjob.
 
I have a difficult time believing that most of the libs on this board would vote Ike over Stevenson, or that they would ever actually consider voting for Goldwater if he were on a ballot. Remember, Goldwater was called an extremist nutjob back in his day.

The problem is, Ike and Barry wouldn't pass the current GOP's authoritarian purity test.

"In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater
 
I'd have no problem voting for Ike over Stevenson. I truly Believe that Ike is the only great or near great Republican President of the last 100 years. The problem with your scenario is that Ike could not get nominated in today's Republican party and yes, even by today's standards, Goldwater was an extremist nutjob.

Barry Goldwater was a good man. He was a conservative with a conscience.

This is a man who in his own business, before he entered politics, instituted a profit-sharing plan, before unions had ever thought of it. He put in health and medical insurance for all his employees. He took 50 percent of the profits before taxes and set up a retirement program, a pension plan for all his employees. He sent checks for life to an employee who was ill and couldn't work. He provided nursing care for the children of mothers who work in the stores. When Mexico was ravaged by floods from the Rio Grande, he climbed in his airplane and flew medicine and supplies down there.

An ex-GI told me how he met him. It was the week before Christmas during the Korean War, and he was at the Los Angeles airport trying to get a ride home to Arizona for Christmas, and he said that there were a lot of servicemen there and no seats available on the planes. Then a voice came over the loudspeaker and said, "Any men in uniform wanting a ride to Arizona, go to runway such-and-such," and they went down there, and there was this fellow named Barry Goldwater sitting in his plane. Every day in the weeks before Christmas, all day long, he would load up the plane, fly to Arizona, fly them to their homes, then fly back over to get another load.

During the hectic split-second timing of a campaign, this is a man who took time out to sit beside an old friend who was dying of cancer. His campaign managers were understandably impatient, but he said, "There aren't many left who care what happens to her. I'd like her to know I care." This is a man who said to his 19-year-old son, "There is no foundation like the rock of honesty and fairness, and when you begin to build your life upon that rock, with the cement of the faith in God that you have, then you have a real start." This is not a man who could carelessly send other people's sons to war.

Ronald Reagan - October 27, 1964
 
Barry Goldwater was a good man. He was a conservative with a conscience.

This is a man who in his own business, before he entered politics, instituted a profit-sharing plan, before unions had ever thought of it. He put in health and medical insurance for all his employees. He took 50 percent of the profits before taxes and set up a retirement program, a pension plan for all his employees. He sent checks for life to an employee who was ill and couldn't work. He provided nursing care for the children of mothers who work in the stores. When Mexico was ravaged by floods from the Rio Grande, he climbed in his airplane and flew medicine and supplies down there.

An ex-GI told me how he met him. It was the week before Christmas during the Korean War, and he was at the Los Angeles airport trying to get a ride home to Arizona for Christmas, and he said that there were a lot of servicemen there and no seats available on the planes. Then a voice came over the loudspeaker and said, "Any men in uniform wanting a ride to Arizona, go to runway such-and-such," and they went down there, and there was this fellow named Barry Goldwater sitting in his plane. Every day in the weeks before Christmas, all day long, he would load up the plane, fly to Arizona, fly them to their homes, then fly back over to get another load.

During the hectic split-second timing of a campaign, this is a man who took time out to sit beside an old friend who was dying of cancer. His campaign managers were understandably impatient, but he said, "There aren't many left who care what happens to her. I'd like her to know I care." This is a man who said to his 19-year-old son, "There is no foundation like the rock of honesty and fairness, and when you begin to build your life upon that rock, with the cement of the faith in God that you have, then you have a real start." This is not a man who could carelessly send other people's sons to war.

Ronald Reagan - October 27, 1964

Be that as it may. It does not change the fact that Goldwater, via his well known association with the John Birch society and other right wing political organizations, was a political extremist. It was to prove that that he passed the right wing purity test of his time that he made his famous "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." comment. The long term and probably unforseen political consequence of that statement was that Goldwater politically legitimized the extreme right wing of the Republican party and we have seen where that has lead them.
 
Be that as it may. It does not change the fact that Goldwater, via his well known association with the John Birch society and other right wing political organizations, was a political extremist. It was to prove that that he passed the right wing purity test of his time that he made his famous "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." comment. The long term and probably unforseen political consequence of that statement was that Goldwater politically legitimized the extreme right wing of the Republican party and we have seen where that has lead them.


Edmund Burke said, "Tyrants seldom want pretexts." The same could be said of extremists. You make a valid point about unforeseen consequence of some statements Goldy made, but the people that 'felt' legitimized need little pretext and are not responsible and intelligent like Goldwater. The man himself was not anywhere as extreme as that persona. He was very open minded and even liberal in some of his beliefs. Especially in the area of human rights. Don't forget, some of the persona was created by Democrats running against him.

I saw Barry on a Larry King special commemorating the 30th anniversary of President Kennedy's assassination. He talked about how he was looking forward to running against his friend in an issue-oriented campaign in 1964. He and Kennedy had discussed plans to fly around the country campaigning together, in what the two men believed would be a revival of the old whistle-stop campaign debates. "Kennedy and I informally agreed — it seems a pipe dream in looking at some of today's negative campaigning — that we would ride the same plane or train to several stops and debate face-to-face on the same platform," Goldwater wrote in his memoir.

Goldwater was devastated when those plans were cut short by Kennedy’s death in late 1963, and he mourned the president’s passing profoundly.

John Dean's best seller, 'Conservatives Without Conscience' was dedicated to Barry Goldwater and the genesis of the book was conversations Dean had with Goldwater back in 1994. They planned to work together on the book, but Goldwater's poor health and then his passing in '98 halted that collaboration. They wanted to find answers to the question of why Republicans were acting as they were, why conservatives who had taken over the party and were being followed by some extremist in the populace, were taking the party where Goldwater didn't think it should go." (It turns out they are not conservatives, they are authoritarian leaders and followers).

Goldwater was a strong civil rights and privacy advocate and he had little use for the social conservatives.

“Gays have served honorably since Julius Caesar.”
Barry Goldwater
 
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