Illegal stole citizen's ID, registered to vote and did repeatedly...

[T. A. Gardner]

Well we aren't going to. It's safer, easier and less expensive so you can go fuck yourself.

No, mail in elections are not "safer." That's why no other nations do them. Easier? Sure. They're definitely for the lazy. Less expensive? Nope. Mailing things costs money. Printing envelopes AND ballots costs money. So, the expense of an all mail-in election is higher, not lower.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You know nothing. However, making voting more difficult would hurt poor people and minorities. The Republicans figured out in the 80s that lower turnout helps them. That is what this is about.
There are people without transportation. Some people have long ago lost their birth certificates. It can be a pain getting a new one.
Our elections are thoroughly checked every time. There are almost zero people using others ID. It is not a problem.
Why don't we have people vote in police stations with police looking over their shoulders?
Our election system is very secure.

This is just using trivial objections. How do "people without transportation" get food? How do they get to work?
Lost their birth certificate? Get a duplicate. How the fuck hard is that? So what if it's a pain? You lost it. That's on you.
How would you know who voted if no ID was required? That is a problem.
Our election system is swiss cheese.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

This is just using trivial objections. How do "people without transportation" get food?

They have it delivered.

How do they get to work?

They work from home or they are retired.

Lost their birth certificate? Get a duplicate.

It requires several things. Money is one making your requirement a poll tax.

How the fuck hard is that? So what if it's a pain? You lost it. That's on you.
How would you know who voted if no ID was required? That is a problem.
Our election system is swiss cheese.

You know who voted through the public record of who voted. If you think people that are on the roles didn't vote and someone else voted, shouldn't you be out going door to door asking everyone that voted if they actually filled out the ballot instead of being here telling is that absence of evidence is proof of existence.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

They have it delivered.

You are talking people on a limited budget using expensive delivery services... Yea, sure.

They work from home or they are retired.

Doesn't change they would still need a means to go places like medical appointments, shopping in general, whatever.

It requires several things. Money is one making your requirement a poll tax.

Wrong. A birth certificate is necessary for a first time driver's license, a passport, etc. So, getting a duplicate isn't simply about voting, and most of the time the fee for one is nominal.

You know who voted through the public record of who voted. If you think people that are on the roles didn't vote and someone else voted, shouldn't you be out going door to door asking everyone that voted if they actually filled out the ballot instead of being here telling is that absence of evidence is proof of existence.

No, you don't. That's a record of who is claimed to have voted. There is no proof the person actually was the one that voted because no ID was required.

 

[AProudLefty]

Not true. Rings have been caught doing that but only after multiple years of voting. For example, several elections past--and no I don't have a source as this was back in the 2000's--a group of people (party irrelevant) were doing this between Ohio and Arizona. The group had all registered to vote at an address in both states. The states sent the ballots to those addresses. The local residents would mail the out-of-state ballots to the parties in the other state who would fill them out, mail them back, then the local residents would turn them in.

They only got caught because someone finally noticed that like a dozen ballots were going to the same address and raised a question about that.

So, you can vote multiple times if it is in different states because they don't cross check between each other.


If on the other hand no voter ID is required, and you have a list of voters (usually available to political parties and organizations) you can determine if anyone on it has moved out of state, died, etc., and have an operative vote for them instead. There'd be no way to know who did it once the act was completed, if somehow it was caught which isn't likely to begin with.

Then there's ballot harvesting...

They got caught.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

They got caught.

How many haven't been?