I'm repulsed to say: we need more conservative Democrats

TOP said:
And this, my friends, is Exactly why the second wave "modern day" "feminism" is failing...This group is just not capable of thinking, speaking, and acting on their own. What "accomplishments" from all their wacky actions of late will have a long term effect for the majority of women?
They have nothing in common with the suffragettes and other women's rights advocates who actually fought for and won change for women. Nothing at all. They are not worthy...
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[FONT=&quot]Whereas first-wave feminism focused mainly on suffrage and overturning legal obstacles to gender equality (e.g., voting rights and property rights), second-wave feminism broadened the debate to a wide range of issues: sexuality, family, the workplace, reproductive rights, de facto inequalities, and official legal inequalities.[SUP][1][/SUP] Second-wave feminism also drew attention to domestic violence and marital rape issues, establishment of rape crisis and battered women's shelters, and changes in custody and divorce law. Feminist-owned business such as bookstores, credit unions, and restaurants were among the key meeting spaces and economic engines of the movement.[SUP][2][/SUP][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Many historians view the second-wave feminist era in America as ending in the early 1980s with the intra-feminism disputes of the feminist sex wars over issues such as sexuality and pornography, which ushered in the era of third-wave feminism in the early 1990s.[SUP][3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism

Seems to me that we second wave feminist were pretty successful! You have many things to be thankful for concerning your rights.[/SUP][/FONT]
 
Eagle Eye said:
My wife is a cancer survivor and my brother in law has stomach cancer. I would never wish that on anyone no matter how badly I hated them.
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Don't mistake me. I hate nobody. My wish for Rana's cancer to return is based in a genuine and caring concern for the rest of humanity. The world will be a better place without her.
 
Craig234 said:
You guys completely misunderstood my point, and I couldn't have been clearer I want more progressives.

The point was, where a Republican would be elected over a progressive, we're better off with a conservative Democrat who will oppose plutocracy, unlike the Republicans. But fight for progressives as well.
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We need to get rid of all conservative democrats.

We don't want to compromise with the racist right.

We can win when we stop the racist right from cheating. We don't need to throw the LGTBQ, Blacks and other minorities under the bus for a win.
 
TOP said:
They both do. As you can very clearly see;)
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No one has an inferiority complex, snipes, stalks, name calls (filthy, filthy:), lies, belittles, etc. like she does. Not even her recruits:)
I love her self-descriptive posts:)
 
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Craig234 said:
You're badly misunderstanding.

You don't want an anti-gay person. I don't want an anti-gay person.

NEWS FLASH: there are districts WHO WILL ONLY ELECT AN ANTI-GAY PERSON.

So, fight the fight - I'm with you - to try to get them to change on that.

But in the meantime, you don't get the choice of electing a pro-equality progressive in that district. I wish you did. You don't.

So, INSTEAD OF LETTING ANOTHER REPUBLICAN PLUTOCRAT WIN, RUN AN ANTI-PLUTOCRAT DEMOCRAT WHO CAN WIN, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE WRONG ON GAY ISSUES.

If you don't, you are helping the Republicans control government and destroy our democracy. And you are wrong.

So you want to stop the Republicans, or don't you? Do you want to advance the progressive agenda over the long term, or don't you?
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Again, we don't have to throw anyone under the bus to win. We need to challenge the corrupt republican and their cheating.

Most americans are for gay right. They outnumber those who are homophobic racist pieces of shit. If a district doesn't vote for gay rights then we don't want their support.

They will be in the minority.

No compromising with the racist, homophobic, bigoted right wing.
 
Covfefe said:
[FONT="]Whereas [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-wave_feminism"]first-wave feminism[/URL] focused mainly on suffrage and overturning legal obstacles to gender equality (e.g., voting rights and property rights), second-wave feminism broadened the debate to a wide range of issues: sexuality, family, the workplace, reproductive rights, de facto inequalities, and official legal inequalities.[SUP][1][/SUP] Second-wave feminism also drew attention to domestic violence and marital rape issues, establishment of rape crisis and battered women's shelters, and changes in custody and divorce law. Feminist-owned business such as bookstores, credit unions, and restaurants were among the key meeting spaces and economic engines of the movement.[SUP][2][/SUP][/FONT]
[FONT="]Many historians view the second-wave feminist era in America as ending in the early 1980s with the intra-feminism disputes of the [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_sex_wars"]feminist sex wars[/URL] over issues such as sexuality and pornography, which ushered in the era of third-wave feminism in the early 1990s.[SUP][3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism

Seems to me that we second wave feminist were pretty successful! You have many things to be thankful for concerning your rights.[/SUP][/FONT]
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I guess we'll just have to disagree when it come to "waves"....
I have many things to be thankful for. None of which are a result of the present day "wave". Working hard to make sure you all don't undo all that fine work:)
Every day:)
 
Covfefe said:
Seems to me that we second wave feminist were pretty successful! You have many things to be thankful for concerning your rights.
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Well said. I have an activist friend from St. Louis, where we used to live. Until this summer we had been friends only of the cyber sort -- we both belonged to the same activist and progressive groups, but had yet to meet in real life. We both write for the same progressive blog, but she is far more prolific. She and her husband came up for a couple weeks this summer to visit. They were at the women's march in DC last January. She was dragged off by several burly armored cops at a BLM protest this past summer in downtown STL. She once met President Obama in person and shook his hand. She is a real retired teacher, still active in the Jewish community, and her synagogue is one that stands by those fighting for the rights of the disenfranchised. She is an amazing tiny dynamo of a woman, all of 4'11" and maybe 100 lbs on a fat day. She is 84 years old.

That's the kind of person who has helped Toxic and the rest of her ilk have the benefits that we women enjoy today. If my friend is a "nasty woman," then I am proud to be one too.
 
Craig234 said:
My point is that we don't have them... (we have corporatist Democrats, which is very different).
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We don't have them?

Where have you been? It's' why we don't have single payer or a public option for healthcare because there are those dems who are nothing more than republican plants posing as dems.

I'm starting to give you the side eye......
 
TTQ64 said:
We need to get rid of all conservative democrats. We don't want to compromise with the racist right. We can win when we stop the racist right from cheating. We don't need to throw the LGTBQ, Blacks and other minorities under the bus for a win.
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Rise up.

I am waiting.
 
TTQ64 said:
We don't have them? Where have you been? It's' why we don't have single payer or a public option for healthcare because there are those dems who are nothing more than republican plants posing as dems. I'm starting to give you the side eye......
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Uh oh. Are you going to call him a rayciss?
 
TTQ64 said:
We need to get rid of all conservative democrats.

We don't want to compromise with the racist right.

We can win when we stop the racist right from cheating. We don't need to throw the LGTBQ, Blacks and other minorities under the bus for a win.
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Then maybe you should consider what brought my comments into this discussion in the first place.
Start your "revolution" since you hate us so much, you pathetic, hateful bigot.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Well said. I have an activist friend from St. Louis, where we used to live. Until this summer we had been friends only of the cyber sort -- we both belonged to the same activist and progressive groups, but had yet to meet in real life. We both write for the same progressive blog, but she is far more prolific. She and her husband came up for a couple weeks this summer to visit. They were at the women's march in DC last January. She was dragged off by several burly armored cops at a BLM protest this past summer in downtown STL. She once met President Obama in person and shook his hand. She is a real retired teacher, still active in the Jewish community, and her synagogue is one that stands by those fighting for the rights of the disenfranchised. She is an amazing tiny dynamo of a woman, all of 4'11" and maybe 100 lbs on a fat day. She is 84 years old.

That's the kind of person who has helped Toxic and the rest of her ilk have the benefits that we women enjoy today. If my friend is a "nasty woman," then I am proud to be one too.
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If she is more prolific I would love to read her, you are very well spoken, I enjoy your posts. I am a Twitter type, short and to the point.
 
TTQ64 said:
We need to get rid of all conservative democrats.

We don't want to compromise with the racist right.

We can win when we stop the racist right from cheating. We don't need to throw the LGTBQ, Blacks and other minorities under the bus for a win.
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I guess you're right. That's why progressives control the House, Senate, and presidency. Oh, wait. We DO have to get different people elected to stop the plutocrats.

We should fight hard to NOT elect conservative Democrats, and elect progressives instead - but if we CAN'T, we need to fight FOR the conservative Democrats who will oppose plutocracy over the Republicans.
 
Nordberg said:
I am disagreeing. I think we need to be more progressive. Clinton abandoned the base to attract corporations and bankers. They have eaten away at the Dems principles. The lower classes feel nobody will fight for them now. They have lost their desire to get involved and even bother to vote. That is why Trump got in. The working class voted for Trump because he pretended to be different. He was. He is more for the rich than any president in history. You can get the people to fight if there is a goal they can reach. There has to some changes. How about universal healthcare? How about a higher min wage?
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Hardly "true". Didn't Hillary win the (wink, wink) Popular vote? She did not have a numbers problem.....but a "demography" problem as she labeled the majority of Mid American's "deplorable" (all races, all colors, all religions, all genders and non genders alike). She still had enough ignorant voters to carry the majority of citizens....they simply were not in the correct geographical locations. What you need are more Social Communist states like those on the west and east coasts. What you currently have are the fly over states in the middle that will never vote for anything other than a moderate democrat or a moderate republican with a few polarized exceptions like Texas/California ....etc.,
 
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