In my case I like to take a nice shower, to take care of my beautiful hair

Walt said:
Tankless water heaters do have a large power draw, but are also more efficient. The tanked water heaters store energy(badly) in the tank.
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Doesn't make up for that huge power draw. Your electric billing rate is usually set on peak demand for the month. The massive spikes a tankless creates will easily double your per kwh costs.
Walt said:
Besides, I generate enough electricity with my solar panels that I rarely have to pay any real amounts of money for my electricity.
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So, you were stupid enough to pay for 20 + years of electricity upfront rather than as you use it. Dumb move.
Walt said:
$10 for a bulb that lasts 30 years, or $1 for a bulb that lasts one year... And do not forget the further savings in electricity costs.
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I think you underrate incandescent bulbs.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Doesn't make up for that huge power draw.
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It is a bigger power draw when used, but is more efficient, so less power overall. It has never blown a circuit breaker, so who cares how much power it draws while being used?

T. A. Gardner said:
Your electric billing rate is usually set on peak demand for the month.
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No it is not. Maybe yours is, but my electric company does not care. I have never heard of an electric company charging based on peak demand, rather than based on usage. But if you say that is what your electric company does, I guess I will believe you.

T. A. Gardner said:
So, you were stupid enough to pay for 20 + years of electricity upfront rather than as you use it. Dumb move.
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I calculated it all out, and while it is a lot of money up front, it pays for itself. I did get them at a time of low interest rates, so while I did not borrow money for them, I did not forgo a good amount of money from safe investments due to the cost of money being low.

T. A. Gardner said:
I think you underrate incandescent bulbs.
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I have gone 13 years without having replaced a single lightbulb. Maybe it was because I used to buy the cheapest incandescent lightbulbs, but I used to have to replace each of them about once a year.
 
Walt said:
It is a bigger power draw when used, but is more efficient, so less power overall. It has never blown a circuit breaker, so who cares how much power it draws while being used?
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No, what it does is use the same power as the water heater itself. As the water in the tank cools due to new (cold) water coming in, it maintains the heat of outgoing water at a set temperature. So, for example, if you have 105 degree hot water, and it drops to say 100 degrees, the unit shuts off power to the hot water tank and shunts it to the internal heating unit to keep the water going out at 105 degrees. No huge spike because it only has to heat the water a few degrees. Now, as you deplete the tank, the water temp will drop where it can't keep up. The overall effect is to increase your hot water supply by about a third.
Walt said:
No it is not. Maybe yours is, but my electric company does not care. I have never heard of an electric company charging based on peak demand, rather than based on usage. But if you say that is what your electric company does, I guess I will believe you.
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This is common to most utility companies. They want you to keep your load as steady and low as possible. Peaks are bad so they discourage them by upping your bill.
Walt said:
I calculated it all out, and while it is a lot of money up front, it pays for itself. I did get them at a time of low interest rates, so while I did not borrow money for them, I did not forgo a good amount of money from safe investments due to the cost of money being low.
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Doesn't change what I said. It might change the years to pay off, but it's almost always close to 20 as a base.
Walt said:
I have gone 13 years without having replaced a single lightbulb. Maybe it was because I used to buy the cheapest incandescent lightbulbs, but I used to have to replace each of them about once a year.
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T. A. Gardner said:
Now, as you deplete the tank, the water temp will drop where it can't keep up. The overall effect is to increase your hot water supply by about a third.
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A tankless water heater will always keep up. The overall effect is to increase your hot water supply infinitely. It does all this more efficiently, because it does not have to store energy in a tank.

The downside is that it is a massive energy pull when running. You say that you have to pay electrical bills based on peak usage, and in that case, this would be a problem. I do not, so no problem for me.
 
Walt said:
A tankless water heater will always keep up. The overall effect is to increase your hot water supply infinitely. It does all this more efficiently, because it does not have to store energy in a tank.
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Only if you don't have high usage. Typical electric tankless systems require 100 to 125 amp service to work. That works out to something like a 18 to 24 kw load. That's like 3 to 4 times a normal house load.

If you only use hot water very intermittently, they can be a good deal. If you have heavy use I recommend against them.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Only if you don't have high usage. Typical electric tankless systems require 100 to 125 amp service to work. That works out to something like a 18 to 24 kw load. That's like 3 to 4 times a normal house load.
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And yet, I do not get charged much most months, like a little less than $15.
 
AProudLefty said:
President Donald Trump signed a new executive order Wednesday in pursuit of a familiar and elusive goal: “Undoing the left’s war on water pressure.”

The President on Wednesday directed Energy Secretary Chris Wright to roll back Obama- and Biden-era rules limiting pressure in shower heads. In particular, he railed against efficiency standards getting in the way of grooming his iconic coiffure.

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Another carryover from the first term. Demented!
 
AProudLefty said:
President Donald Trump signed a new executive order Wednesday in pursuit of a familiar and elusive goal: “Undoing the left’s war on water pressure.”

The President on Wednesday directed Energy Secretary Chris Wright to roll back Obama- and Biden-era rules limiting pressure in shower heads. In particular, he railed against efficiency standards getting in the way of grooming his iconic coiffure.

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He is really focusing on the important issues.
 
It's not just shower heads he's bringing back clothes washers that clean your clothes.

No one with a brain can claim they love the swirly waterless shitboxes the unelected left has shoved down our throats.

Long live the agitator!!
 
ULTRA MAGA said:
It's not just shower heads he's bringing back clothes washers that clean your clothes.

No one with a brain can claim they love the swirly waterless shitboxes the unelected left has shoved down our throats.

Long live the agitator!!
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Black protesters were protesting at Maytag about the disproportionate number of white washing machines that Maytag made. Maytag assured them that each machine included a black agitator.
 
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